I noticed that when it comes to Zildjian Z Customs, Its a love, hate thing! Drummers love them, or hate them. IMO, they are the best cymbals for heavy rock/metal music. Yes they are very thick and Yes they are very loud but in heavy music you need something to cut though all the blazing guitars and the thunder we call bass. NOW if you are play pop rock or softer music I can see why you would not like them but I dont see how some drummer's think they are just bad cymbals. They may not fit you music but that dont make them a bad cymbal. I dont know and correct me if I am wrong but the only other cymbal company that makes a cymbal like the Z Custom is paiste and there Rude cymbals and from what I hear, everybody raves about the Rude cymbals. What is the diffence? Both are heavy, thick and loud cymbals. Help me out here!