World's Fastest Drummer Competition - Is it even drumming?

Animal

New member
loop":2hh1fq5u said:
Hello everyone :) Let's discuss about it. What do you guys and gals think?

loop
Fastness is interesting in sports and for athlets.
In music?

Well; Obviously a good drummer should have a good technique and good skills, but a competition in "fastest drummer" is about as interesting at "Most musical athlete", as far as I'm concerned! 8)
 
I dunno, it seems like a good competition to me. I know we play a very physical instrument. What`s wrong with seeing who can do it the fastest? Have you ever tried it? It`s not just 'masturbating'. It actually takes skill and technique.

I bougt a drumometer II when it first came out. It`s the offical meter they use at WFD. Lemme tell you this, my speed leaves a lot to be desired but my technique has improved dramatically.

There is a great deal of skill needed to pull 1000+ singles off in 60 seconds. I know I can`t do it. I do know (from personal experience) that the more relaxed you play, the faster you can go.

For anyone reading this, and who follows WFD, a name to watch for, and a good friend of mine:

Mike "Machine" Mallais!

He`ll be making a name for himself there!
 

Shalaq

New member
I think it's great fun and also sort of motivative for young drummers. The WFD shows are also a great oppourtunity to learn from the fastest guys on the market how to improve your technique to play fast, flawlessly and more relaxed.
 

ViciousCircle5

New member
I think its dumb. Can't really think of anything I'd find more annoying when it comes to drumming.

But yeah, it takes talent.
 

Rob the Drummer

New member
I think it's cool. Kinda like the world's fastest sprinter or what not. It takes a certain technique to go really fast. Just keep in mind that this is a physical competition and not a musical showcase.

You know, they should have a world's best time keeper showdown. Give them a tempo to start with and turn it silent and see how long the drummer can stay with the silenced metronome. That would take some talent.
 
Rob the Drummer":1a1td2wv said:
I think it's cool. Kinda like the world's fastest sprinter or what not. It takes a certain technique to go really fast. Just keep in mind that this is a physical competition and not a musical showcase.

You know, they should have a world's best time keeper showdown. Give them a tempo to start with and turn it silent and see how long the drummer can stay with the silenced metronome. That would take some talent.

that`s a pretty cool idea, `cept don`t give them a metronome at all, just call out numbers
 

cfyves

New member
This is my first post on here...

So hey all!

Personally, I think whether a person likes it or not is in the eye of the beholder....

If it gives the drummer a reason to work on stick/foot control and technique.... then why not?

Something to help keep motivated to practice.
 

Justino

New member
To me "wfd" is a buncha crap. What I wanna know is if speed is really what matters why isn't the WFD in a killer band???? I mean Carter Beauford, Dave Weckl, Steve Gadd, Aaron Spears... you name it theyt are fast but they don't rely on their speed to make them a good musician. I feel like speed is a very small part to drumming and you don't really need speed to be good. If you can blaze on your rudiments who needs singles!?!?! I also think that focusing soo much on speed is like making baked potato with just chives on it... how sick is that you need all the ingredients to make it good. My big focus has always been technique and I fell that technique is by far the most important aspect to drumming.
I am not a fan of speed drumming who can groove, dance or have fun with a song at 1000bpm... I can't.
Justnio
 
Justino":3th6x4a6 said:
To me "wfd" is a buncha crap. What I wanna know is if speed is really what matters why isn't the WFD in a killer band???? I mean Carter Beauford, Dave Weckl, Steve Gadd, Aaron Spears... you name it theyt are fast but they don't rely on their speed to make them a good musician. I feel like speed is a very small part to drumming and you don't really need speed to be good. If you can blaze on your rudiments who needs singles!?!?! I also think that focusing soo much on speed is like making baked potato with just chives on it... how sick is that you need all the ingredients to make it good. My big focus has always been technique and I fell that technique is by far the most important aspect to drumming.
I am not a fan of speed drumming who can groove, dance or have fun with a song at 1000bpm... I can't.
Justnio
that`s why it`s WFD and not WBD (as in BEST drummer).
It`s like 100 meter dash for drummers.
being the fastest drummer doesn`t make you the best drummer by any stretch of the imagination.

I`m not sure if you`ve ever tried it, but there is a lot more involved then just speed. I`ve tried it (i own a drumometer ii) and I can tell you from experience that it is not close to easy. There is a lot of technique and control involved. You need to learn how to relax too. I have no intentions of ever competing but i test myself from time to time. Since doing this, for no one other than me, I`ve noticed my playing has improved greatly. I have more technique and less fatigue. I`ve been playing for 20+ years.

Now forget listening to anyone playing on a record at those speeds. That`s just ridiculous. There`s no groove at 1000BPM+. It`s simply just noise.

The current holder Mike Mangini is an incredible player. I don`t know who`d I say has better independence between him or say Virgil Donati but Mike is incredible. He can lay the groove down at normal speeds and maintain it effortlessly. HE can turn it up (with ANNIHILATOR) when he needs to.

I`m all about the groove when playing and prefer listening to drummers who do the same thing. I don`t think WFD is a useless venture/competition. It`s just a competition, like I said earlier, like a sprint for runners. I appreciate the hard work that goes into their efforts. WFD proves that they are FAST not that they are GOOD. A friend of mine gets 700+ when he uses my meter, and doesn`t play ANY instrument. THat`s far from the record, and it sures as hell doesn`t make him a good drummer.
 

Vetis

New member
im not too sure about the WFD but I know that the winner of the 2006 " Worlds Fastest Feet" Competition is in the band Vital Remains and he pulls off some amazingly technical and fast parts.

But when it comes to do the WFD you cant think of it as a musical competition. Some people are such sticklers like that and it's annoying. It's a competition to see who can go the fastest. Is there a real reason to do it? No, but why the hell not?
 

Dale

New member
I don't really know what to make of it. I think that at a deeper level it shows that drummers, if they are not careful, may drum themselves into a corner from which there is no escape. I tend to think that the drumset could possibly become the most unnecessary instrument on earth. It probably already is.

Why speed? I think the drum kit is unique in that drummers often work in isolation from other drummers. The drums are a communal instrument and in most cultures are played in groups of drummers. But the drum kit player finds himself alone amongst instrumentalists who don't play the kit. I tend to think this has kind of warped the drumming mindset. Rather than communication, it's become competition. And often not musical competition at all. It's athletic competition where there's no distinction between art and sport.

But I don't really know. I am worried that soon the only audience drummers will have will be other drummers. I don't want to get caught in that trap and to that end I am studying percussion every day and can now play loads of other instruments. I think that is healthier than just playing drums. I think there is more opportunity to work. I've always played percussion, but now it is my primary focus. I think it is more healthy to study a new Cuban groove on congas or to take part in a rhumba than to just practice getting a single stroke roll fast. I think that's pretty boring.

But each to his own.
 

disrupt13

New member
only metal guys care whos the fastest, sure its fun to push the limits, but how many death metal drummers can blast at 250 bpm's but cant play a steady 4/4?
 

ineal

New member
Well, seems like a some people are a bit narrow minded here. It's not only metal drummers that care about speed, check out some of them fast jazz drummers and drum n bass producers and drummers.

Also, most pro metal drummers (death/extreme/black/heavy) start off playing jazz or rock e.g. current Nile drummer, and they go further into metal because it pushes the boundaries and requires a high standard of skills that most drummers cannot match with speed being one of them.

Yeah it can be boring to watch some bloke or bird endlessly spazzing out on a snare drum to get loads of hits in but it's cool to learn the technique.

Fucke the rest, BRING ON THE BLASTS! :twisted:
 

mattsmith

New member
Justino":dh5uw09s said:
To me "wfd" is a buncha crap. What I wanna know is if speed is really what matters why isn't the WFD in a killer band???? I mean Carter Beauford, Dave Weckl, Steve Gadd, Aaron Spears... you name it theyt are fast but they don't rely on their speed to make them a good musician. I feel like speed is a very small part to drumming and you don't really need speed to be good. If you can blaze on your rudiments who needs singles!?!?! I also think that focusing soo much on speed is like making baked potato with just chives on it... how sick is that you need all the ingredients to make it good. My big focus has always been technique and I fell that technique is by far the most important aspect to drumming.
I am not a fan of speed drumming who can groove, dance or have fun with a song at 1000bpm... I can't.
Justnio
Speed and musicianship don't have to be mutually exclusive, but there is a certain clique of drummers who like to spread the notion that any practice of technique eliminates the sanctity from their groove, when nothing could be farther from the truth. One of the WFD's brightest stars is Johnny Rabb, who lays down as nice a groove as there exists in set playing. In my limited experiences, I have noticed that people who speak of NOTHING but groove usually have sloppy technique and can barely survive the endurance required to play a gig. What I'm saying here is there are 2 sides to this coin.

Blaze on your rudiments without strong singles? I don't think so. Singles are the foundation of all rudimental studies. If your singles are weak then there will be flaws in any other rudiment endeavor you pursue. They are also the key to the endurance issue. And what's the difference between these contests and the scales play offs that wind instruments do in high school band?

You're right you don't need speed to be good. But having speed doesn't make you bad either. It also doesn't make you any less of a musician, in fact the opposite is true.

As for those who think drummers are distancing themselves from everyone else in some music sociology format, I believe every musical instrument group believes they are misunderstood. But drummers seem to be the only group who actually believe that the misunderstanding is true.
 

Flatliner

New member
Gotta agree with this being a good thing, gets the world of drumming out there and the more the merrier. Also I hate the prejudice "groove" minded poeple have against technique oriented players, I'll tell you right now there's plenty orchestral drummers who consider the groove to be a bastardation of good playing, and those guys are incredibly sensitive to the music they are playing, practicing hours upon hours on perfecting very subtle movements to make their playing musical as possible. Technique is not a bad thing and I don't believe the poeple at the top of this competition aren't bad drummers, in fact most of them are amazing drummers in their perspective genres of music. These guys aren't massive tree trunk armed poeple, they've studied and spent many hours making each stroke as economical as possible. If John Cage can write 4'33" who are you to say what's music and what's not.
 
Top