Thomas Lang VS. Dennis Chambers......

FSTFEET

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I just wanna hear what most drummers are most amused by.
The crazy rudamentry work on hands and feet by Lang

or,

The untuchable grooves and smothness of Dennis Chambers.

The reason i ask is because Dennis Chambers was at one of the Guitar Centers and was making fun of Thomas Lang. haha

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-Loniel.
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drummert2k

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they're not even comparable. they both have completely differant styles. im sure theres things thomas is better at and other things dennis is better at. theres to many "which drummer is better" posts. no single drummer is the best at everything. we all know thomas has amazing technical ability and dennis has an amazing feel and groove.
 

Bonzo21290

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drummert2k":umzrzbcr said:
they're not even comparable. they both have completely differant styles. im sure theres things thomas is better at and other things dennis is better at. theres to many "which drummer is better" posts. no single drummer is the best at everything. we all know thomas has amazing technical ability and dennis has an amazing feel and groove.
i definetely agree with you... i love both of these guys and i saw lang in clinic a few weeks back... but they both are completely different and unique in their own way.
 

Justino

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c'mon drummert2k play along with the post bruhh...

In my opinion this is the toughest response I have made on this deal because both drummers are so influential to me. Thomas Lang has the technique down better than almost any other main stream drummer out, but Dennis... he is a legend. Dennis has everything in his past that I wish I could have, he grew up playing with pro's from day one. I read that by the time he was like 10 he was playing with pros in bars... THAT IS SOMETHING! TLang also has an amazing past though because he came up just like the rest of us and through hard work he made it big and now is world wide monster drummer.
If I HAD to choose I would say Thomas Lang just because he has been trained and has played with orchestra's not just fusion groups. Dennis is still the man and a legend at that, but I think Thomas Lang is one of our generation’s legends in the making.
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m

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well, the first thing that comes to mind is a big -1 to Dennis for making fun of other drummers.

It'd be nice if there wasn't any 'vs' going on; everybody's got their own style and usually pros show some courtesy, there's no point denigrating another artist.

Or was it more good-natured ribbing? That'd be different I guess.
I just feel like I'd tend to lose some respect for a prominent drummer who put others down. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what happened at the clinic?
 

drummert2k

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Justino":87vml2y4 said:
c'mon drummert2k play along with the post bruhh...
ok, ok. i'll play along. chambers is a legend and has played with legends. who chambers has played with is something that in that aspect puts him above Lang. but my vote would go to lang overall. he has the chops, amazing independance, a very very solid drummer, from a technical stand point not many people out there come close. chambers has great time and feel and i've heard some very impressive chambers solos but Langs power, multi pedal work, rudimental work and just overall performance sometimes has me asking myself "is this guy even human" My vote goes to lang with no disprespect to chambers. Lang, Greb, Minneman(correct spellin?) and drummers like them in my opinion are taking drummer to an increbibly high level of complexity, knowledge and playing ability. this is just my opinion!
 

zen_drummer

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Wow...
I can't think of any tunes on which Lang lays down a memorable groove. He's got chops, no doubt. He's got independance, no doubt. He makes great videos and does great clinics.

For me, here's the bottom line... we're drummers... we make music. Who has made better music that stands on its own merit as music? Who made us dance and groove and feel things? Who really affected us in a measurable way? For me this is a no brainer.

Lang is a technique freak. He's great. I barely care.

Chambers takes care of business and lays down a groove that is absolutely undeniable.

Advantage Chambers.
 

TamaSwngstr121

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Yah, you really cant say anyones better, because everyone has different styles and no one is the "best" In my mind, its all opinion on who you think is better...i agree with most everyone here, Thomas Lang is technically much better, but he cant put up grooves like Dennis Chambers. So it could go either way.
 
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Anonymous

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not getting involved in a groove vs. technique war, but to respond to zen_drummer, I don't like to dance and thus this is too subjective to declar a winner, but I will play the game and say as far as more influencial, I'm gonna say lang. but this is a personal influence, not for the drumming community as a whole, for Lang, Minneman, Peart, Bozzio, Portnoy, Bruford, Palmer, ect. those are the guys that have made me want to practice the drums and the reason I'm so passionate about them.
 

sirdrumalot

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the post says better. thomas is better. i dont care ive seen both play and you cant touch thomas. im nothing dennis is bad hes awsome but as far as skill to the instrumen thomas is untouchable, its like comparing bb king to alexi from cob. i hate cob but hes a great guitar player.
 

zen_drummer

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Two quotes from my website...

"There are really two ways to perform on the drums...
One is to let yourself flow with the music, to explore the groove and to become a part of the whole in that space.
The other way is to force your will on the music, playing rehearsed and lifeless patterns, subject to your personal limitations."

"Technique is cheap. Anybody can have great chops if they practice long and hard. Knowing when to hold back and play less requires real instinct. I have learned that what I don't play is often far more important than what I do play. "

(shameless plug, I know)
www.unitedgrooveworkers.com
 

drummert2k

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zen_drummer":1hf7jxi8 said:
sirdrumalot":1hf7jxi8 said:
what does that mean besides wasting 20 seconds of my life reading that. you bother me.
I guess I owe you 20 seconds... Let me know where to send it.
haha..... zen_drummer, i've read a lot of your posts on here a you can tell you're a very knowledgable musician and you do make very good points. also, i checked out your site. your zendrum is crazy? is that something you created or is that a standard piece of electronic percussion you can order from a store?
 
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Anonymous

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I know where you are coming from, but I don't like the implication that groove and technique can't co-exist. I think thomas's solo are cool and inspiring but there's a lot of drummers I'd rather watch solo ( steve smith, peart, rich, carl palmer, etc. ) however that being said I thought he was completely insane on the song "Dog" on his creative crontrol DVD, and I'm not sure how you could ever put some sort of "groove" oriented drumming on that track would have made poeple want to dance.
 

zen_drummer

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Flatliner":161o2r2f said:
I know where you are coming from, but I don't like the implication that groove and technique can't co-exist.
I guess it may look like I have implied that Groove and Technique cannot co-exist... Yet I don't feel that way at all... they are actually far from being mutually exclusive.

A great example of the two living in the same space can be found by heading over to youtube and doing a search on buddy rich, or barrett deems, or even louis bellson...

To be concise, I don't consider drum videos as being "music" and perhaps that's a shortcoming of mine, but until I see all the technique put to use in actual music, I guess I just don't understand the point of having monster chops if you're not going to make music with them!

As an example, Bozzio has monster chops, and I've seen him make music with all that technique, and it feels great! I've heard other chop-masters that can't groove on a bet... so I guess I'm saying they CAN co-exist, that's why it's such a shame when they don't.

For the purpose of this discussion we were asked to compare Thomas Lang, an absolute technician at his craft against a guy with GREAT chops, immaculate pocket and relentless groove, that has made an outstanding contribution to the world of music. One way of saying it is "technique is cheap"... the other way is "speed ain't nothin' without class"

I'm an old-timer, I think there's more to music than the application of well-rehearsed patterns. "Feel" means a lot.
 

zen_drummer

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drummert2k":1fvg9otk said:
i checked out your site. your zendrum is crazy? is that something you created or is that a standard piece of electronic percussion you can order from a store?
I didn't create the Zendrum... A description of how I came to have it can be found here: http://www.unitedgrooveworkers.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2&Itemid=3

I believe at this point in time the only way to get one is to order it direct from zendrum at www.zendrum.com. It's a really cool instrument!
 

RobDrmz

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Thomas Lang? Oh c'mon! - The guy rules, -BUT-

and a big BUTT, Dennnis's feel is UNTEACHABLE, groove comes from the heart & soul.

People without it, love chops. BTW, Dennis is very technical drummer, he just plays the song.

And, to set the record straight! - Tommy Lang RULES TOO. Let's get a cheeseburger and slam some drums!
 

zen_drummer

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RobDrmz":3592wyef said:
Thomas Lang? Oh c'mon! - The guy rules, -BUT-

and a big BUTT, Dennnis's feel is UNTEACHABLE, groove comes from the heart & soul.

People without it, love chops. BTW, Dennis is very technical drummer, he just plays the song.

And, to set the record straight! - Tommy Lang RULES TOO. Let's get a cheeseburger and slam some drums!
Dennis is a VERY technical drummer, he just doesn't let it get in the way of the music. I love his playing... Check out the album he did with Greg Howe, technique and groove in one place... imagine that! Greg's a guitar player that is also able to make the two coexist.

If you're ever in Rochester, look me up, I'll buy the cheeseburgers!
 

mikeellis

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zen_drummer":4rl4cyiu said:
Wow...
I can't think of any tunes on which Lang lays down a memorable groove.
Chances are every time you turn on the radio for a reasonable length of time, you'll hear Thomas playing sooner or later and most likely; 'a groove'. Whether or not it's memorable, is up to you.
 
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