disrupt13":33o2oqjh said:
right, he played all the songs perfect?
wrong. sure you seen the youtube vids.
dude, zach did get sloppy yea, but how Brian treated him i cant say i blame him.
hit replaced, my ass, thats what kevin talley said about all that remains also.
jealous?
Dude, once you go and record at a real metal catering studio, you will know

They almost ALWAYS mix samples and your real tone together, this is to give the sheer speed of most metal drumming the consistency it needs to sound good. For example, my band is going to record at Salad Days studios with Mike Scheilbaum this winter, we are in the pre production phase right now. The road map for the drums is this:
1) Go in, map click tracks out, fine tune the tempos.
2) Find the drum tones, replace any odd sounding drums with ones that are known to work with the room.
3) Find overlapping samples sounds that match the drums natural tone color, use these for the attack.
4) Record each track, oh about 10 times for each song
5) Find the best fills, tightest grooves out of each song, cut and paste together the best of the best from all 10 tracks.
6) Edit each track until it's tighter than a ducks asshole, IE remove the slop if there is any.
Thats how 40% of what you hear drumming-wise on a metal record is recorded nowadays. Some go even as far to just make a midi map of the drums utilizing triggers and a midi interface, then using a VST like Drumagog or Drum Kit From Hell to replace the midi notes with samples, this is probably the other 60%. Now, is this necessarily cheating? To a purist, yes, to a drummer who plays a lot of faster stuff that doesn't get picked up very well through traditional micing techniques, no. Derek Roddy uses the good-ole traditional micing techniques, as does George Kollias. You know what? The drums on the records they've done doing this are HARD TO HEAR. I think Roddy is the fucking man for doing it this way, but when he gets going on those really fast fills on Behold Judas it's hard to tell exactly what he's doing unless you've seen him do it. After seeing the MANY ways metal can be done, I can smell the production nuances from a mile away. As for All That Remains, I know Adam D's production style, it's about the same as Scheilbaum's roadmap, so it's a least samples mixed with real drums. When Mike Justain was still with Unearth he INSISTED that they go to a studio and didn't use a click or hit replacement, thats why they went to Terry Date to record, he still uses tape. Talley told me ALL of his tracks on the Chimiria record he did were 100% hit replaced, even the fucking cymbals were tooled with!! The Daath record was the same to get consistency because there were three drummers on the recording. I heard the Daath tracks of Talley's raw drums, much much different sounding.
Talley playing with BDM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x58nWLhERb8
Pretty damn good if you ask me...