Metal Drummers vs. Jazz Drummers

What style of music do you think is harder to play?

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Manzo

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PatternsInTheIvy":xhog9k71 said:
Thank you Manzo! Derek Roddy in particular has just as much feel as any Jazz drummer IMO, and George Kollias has insane technique! Also, Inferno from Behemoth is a very masterful drummer.
Yes he is, most people think he is a sloppy drummer because he headbangs while playing most of the time. How does that show he is sloppy? that hows how freakin insane he is. Headbanging, while blasting, and doing 200+ BPM on double bass. If you watch some of his studio recording videos, you will see how technique, and how many times he tries to improve a song after he has completed it. To a certain degree, Adler and Inferno do have the same perfectionist ways while drumming. (If you ever watched Lamb of God's Killadelpia DVD you will see that Chris is a huge neat freak.)

and here is a video of Derek Roddy grooooooooovin

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Manzo

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^ absolutely not. Thats why he is a metal drummer.

I was just saying that he starting out drumming for jazz and stuff and much later got into metal.
 

vincemie

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while comparing apples to oranges its important to note that you really cannot compare the two. please note that oranges have a bumpy skin that needs to be peeled before consumed while, apples can be consumed without peeling, although if you choose to do so you can peel an apple. while they both have seeds, oranges do not have a core, apples do, and that core can be eaten but only if you choose to. there are also many different kinds of apples such as granny smith, Washington, and golden delicious, just like there many different types of oranges like navel and Valencia, further distorting comparisons.


buddy rich could play any metal song ever period. thats the truth
 

PatternsInTheIvy

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vincemie":3nljkpin said:
while comparing apples to oranges its important to note that you really cannot compare the two. please note that oranges have a bumpy skin that needs to be peeled before consumed while, apples can be consumed without peeling, although if you choose to do so you can peel an apple. while they both have seeds, oranges do not have a core, apples do, and that core can be eaten but only if you choose to. there are also many different kinds of apples such as granny smith, Washington, and golden delicious, just like there many different types of oranges like navel and Valencia, further distorting comparisons.


buddy rich could play any metal song ever period. thats the truth
If he got his double base chops up I bet he could :lol:
 

vincemie

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buddy rich's double bass chops were greater than whomever most people think the greatest double bass player is nowadays. buddy rich was the greatest drummer who ever walked planet earth. thats not my opinion either. watch some of his vids and study his technique and listen to what some of the the greats have said about him. buddy could do ANYTHING on a drum kit, double bass and all. he never featured it because that wasnt what he did. but he could do it. as fast and as long and as clean as he chose too.
 

Alan_

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heh, that sounds like one of those chuck norris things. "buddy rich played so fast, he had to replace his snare drum head 5 times in a show because it would melt".

you have to remember that at the time buddy did that double bass thing with bellson, bellson was the benchmark. by modern standards, bellson's double kick playing is not really all that advanced at all. I'm sure if he'd worked at developing his double kick technique, buddy probably would have been monstrous at it. don't belittle the players of today by saying that buddy was better than them at something he couldn't even really do. even cobham's footwork isn't up to some of the folks around at this point in time.
 

Alan_

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I think to try and compare metal and jazz in a competitive way is high-larious.

There's some beautiful, incredibly difficult to play, and conceptually challenging metal. Same goes for jazz. It's all artistic expression at the end of the day. Get over it.

And just for the record, there's several drummers who can/could keep up with Buddy on a technical level. Tony Williams, Simon Phillips or Joe Morello for example. Just look at someone like Marco Minneman. I really doubt anything buddy played would give him too much issue. The thing about buddy wasn't just what he played tho. It was the incredible musicality with which he could kick a band and form a solo into a compositional statement. Sure, he had atomic hands...so do lots of people. I'm not knocking the man at all, if you've read any of my posts involving buddy, you will know this. I think he's in a league few reach.
 

xdoseonex

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vincemie":2rxmxg9g said:
buddy rich's double bass chops were greater than whomever most people think the greatest double bass player is nowadays. buddy rich was the greatest drummer who ever walked planet earth. thats not my opinion either. watch some of his vids and study his technique and listen to what some of the the greats have said about him. buddy could do ANYTHING on a drum kit, double bass and all. he never featured it because that wasnt what he did. but he could do it. as fast and as long and as clean as he chose too.
I'm not saying that buddy rich wouldnt have been capabe of blazing out crazy double bass speed and perceision. But i will say that he never did
 

Timekeep69

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Both are hard to play but for different reasons. Metal drumming is more physical because you have to play harder and faster. Jazz is difficult because it requires the drummer to train his body to do things it's not used to doing ( I just saw Jason Bittner show some 3 way independant stuff).

btw, Bittner is a Berkley grad and while he plays metal, he also can impressively play jazz drumming.
 

DrumsPlus

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Timekeep69":2z19qqsb said:
Both are hard to play but for different reasons. Metal drumming is more physical because you have to play harder and faster. Jazz is difficult because it requires the drummer to train his body to do things it's not used to doing ( I just saw Jason Bittner show some 3 way independant stuff).

btw, Bittner is a Berkley grad and while he plays metal, he also can impressively play jazz drumming.
I agree. I also thought it was funny when Bittner talked about the problems he had trying to learn it. It was the same problems each one of us have and he is one of the best.
 

vincemie

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Alan_":38j31ixb said:
heh, that sounds like one of those chuck norris things. "buddy rich played so fast, he had to replace his snare drum head 5 times in a show because it would melt".

you have to remember that at the time buddy did that double bass thing with bellson, bellson was the benchmark. by modern standards, bellson's double kick playing is not really all that advanced at all. I'm sure if he'd worked at developing his double kick technique, buddy probably would have been monstrous at it. don't belittle the players of today by saying that buddy was better than them at something he couldn't even really do. even cobham's footwork isn't up to some of the folks around at this point in time.
my statement was not to belittle the players of today, it was more to illustrate how far ahead of his time he was and in many aspects still is, and that i find his technique amazing beyond belief or genre. while it is pointless to say he is better at someone at something he didnt even do, ill admit dosent make all that much sense but it was to illustrate a master drummer who could probably smash every genre if he were alive today, regardless of jazz or metal.
 

Alan_

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for me, I've had a great love of jazz AND metal since I was a kid in the 70's.

Every idiom has its challenges and idiosyncraces.
 
Metropolis1021":25rqp844 said:
i agree that jazz is hard but it really depends on what you do with it and how far you take it musically as a drummer. and what about the progressive branch of metal. there is no end to where you can take it.
That made no sense what so ever. I could apply that same reasoning to any genre. I'm talking about taking music as far as it can go musiclly as a drummer. You wanna add something interesting to Jazz drums throw some double bass in but it has to fit the context of the tune. there are jazz drummers that could bash harder than any other metal drummer I've heard. (tony williams for one)(Charlie Adams is another) I mean I've never heard a metal band try and put a Latin feel into one of their songs I dont know maybe theres a band out there that has tried that. But Music as a whole is only limited by your creativity.
 

vincemie

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I love Cheese and drums":34bkn75o said:
Metropolis1021":34bkn75o said:
i agree that jazz is hard but it really depends on what you do with it and how far you take it musically as a drummer. and what about the progressive branch of metal. there is no end to where you can take it.
That made no sense what so ever. I could apply that same reasoning to any genre. I'm talking about taking music as far as it can go musiclly as a drummer. You wanna add something interesting to Jazz drums throw some double bass in but it has to fit the context of the tune. there are jazz drummers that could bash harder than any other metal drummer I've heard. (tony williams for one)(Charlie Adams is another) I mean I've never heard a metal band try and put a Latin feel into one of their songs I dont know maybe theres a band out there that has tried that. But Music as a whole is only limited by your creativity.
candiria has put latin and jazz into there sound. lots of people classify them as hardcore, but they have a definite metal distinction, and a sick drummer as well
 
vincemie":1fzruixt said:
I love Cheese and drums":1fzruixt said:
Metropolis1021":1fzruixt said:
i agree that jazz is hard but it really depends on what you do with it and how far you take it musically as a drummer. and what about the progressive branch of metal. there is no end to where you can take it.
That made no sense what so ever. I could apply that same reasoning to any genre. I'm talking about taking music as far as it can go musiclly as a drummer. You wanna add something interesting to Jazz drums throw some double bass in but it has to fit the context of the tune. there are jazz drummers that could bash harder than any other metal drummer I've heard. (tony williams for one)(Charlie Adams is another) I mean I've never heard a metal band try and put a Latin feel into one of their songs I dont know maybe theres a band out there that has tried that. But Music as a whole is only limited by your creativity.
candiria has put latin and jazz into there sound. lots of people classify them as hardcore, but they have a definite metal distinction, and a sick drummer as well
Thats great! I love when bands experiment like that I'll have too check them out! :D
 

Steaky

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I don't believe it's such a clear cut question.
If you are naturally gifted either way you of course going to find the other difficult.
Both genres have tight phrasing, both deal with tempo and Time signature changes, and both require dexterity and control over the kit. But I believe any World class Jazz player who got a call from say............ NIN would have his work cut out for him to get that angular feel just right, the same as Danny Carey would have to do serious homework getting the call from Mccoy Tyner(if he's still alive). All you guy's who ask these comparison questions forget it's a question of feel, If you don't have it you won't get the gig.
p.s I heard this once a long time ago, but apparently Sepultura's Drummer is a total monster Latin player.
 
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