Mapex drums and DW sets

My friend wants to get a new drumset, real professional quality. He was looking at Mapex and I told him to look up the Saturn series. He likes it but He also thinking about DW but he doesnt know much about the Real good DW sets so I told him I'd get some info.


Got anything to help me guys?
 

rufus4dagruv

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I believe anything actually produced by DW is going to be their top of the line goods. There is also PDP or Pacific, which I believe is a subsidiary of DW. These drums are available in a variety quality levels but are generally much easier on the wallet than actual DW kits.
 

SGarrett

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The Mapex equivalent to DW would be the Orion series, not the Saturn series. Saturn is the semi-pro level.

One of the best places to get info about DW is http://www.DWDrums.com. I would recommend that your friend not just buy a brand name, but rather a kit that truly inspires him to play whether that's Mapex, DW, or Medicine Man.
 
Basically yes, he shouldn't worry about Brand Name. It is what he feels most comfortable with and likes the look of the most. I personally am a DW user and also a Pacific Drum user. I have found there really is no sound difference between the two, but rather the fact that DW are better built and are handcrafted. Mapex I have never really liked. I just find their drums to be bland and boring. There is nothing that stands out about them. Yeah they are good drums, but personally, I'd rather spend the money on a custom set or DW's or even choose Pacifics over any series of Mapex. But that is just me. Josh
 

keith bushey

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Before I broke out my wallet for major cash on a drum set I did alot of homework. Shell construction, finishes, hardware, warranty, sound, and overall looks. I play a double bass 8pc kit and was'nt looking to invest $5000+ on a shell pack...(drums only). Mapex Pro Maple was my final choice, and a good one at that. If I do decide to jump higher in quallity, I'll purchase the Mapex Orion Series. These drums are built like Mack trucks! The hardware is second to none. Big beefy tubing, heavy duty memory locks, double braced, and adjustments are super smooth.
A few drummers in my area have DW kits, and literally drool over the looks and sound of my Mapex Maples. I invested $2300.00 on my shell pack which includes 2.) 22x18 bass drums, a 10,12,13,14,&16 toms, all mounted, a 14x5 snare, and a free Black Panther 12x7 snare was given to me! I am very satisfied with Mapex, and intend to stay with this brand for many years to come.
 

nickg

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SGarrett":28el5ryh said:
The Mapex equivalent to DW would be the Orion series, not the Saturn series. Saturn is the semi-pro level.
the Saturn series is FAR from "semi-pro". it's a pro level kit in every way. the big difference between the Orions (their top line) and the Saturns is that the Saturn series is maple (just like the Orion) but also has 2 inner plies of walnut. the walnut plies definitely add to their low end oomph. so if you are looking for a kit with a good amount of low end, then the Saturn series is it.

i have a Orion kit circa 1991. when i decided i wanted a new kit i went with the Pro M. still an all maple shell. i just didn't see any justification in spending a heck of a lot more money for a new Orion when the Pro M had everything i wanted in a kit without the extra cost. most of the differences were mostly hardware related (rack tom mounts, spurs and spur mounts, floor tom leg mounts). not worth the higher cost to me.
 

SGarrett

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nickg":nvlqkt7m said:
SGarrett":nvlqkt7m said:
The Mapex equivalent to DW would be the Orion series, not the Saturn series. Saturn is the semi-pro level.
the Saturn series is FAR from "semi-pro". it's a pro level kit in every way. the big difference between the Orions (their top line) and the Saturns is that the Saturn series is maple (just like the Orion) but also has 2 inner plies of walnut. the walnut plies definitely add to their low end oomph. so if you are looking for a kit with a good amount of low end, then the Saturn series is it.

i have a Orion kit circa 1991. when i decided i wanted a new kit i went with the Pro M. still an all maple shell. i just didn't see any justification in spending a heck of a lot more money for a new Orion when the Pro M had everything i wanted in a kit without the extra cost. most of the differences were mostly hardware related (rack tom mounts, spurs and spur mounts, floor tom leg mounts). not worth the higher cost to me.
Ah, they gave the Saturn the Orion shells from four or five years ago when they shifted everything downward. The Saturn IS their semi-pro level kit, hence its price point. Even my PDP LX is a semi-pro level kit. The Orion is their professional level kit, hence its price point. You know what the difference is in the shells between Pearl's Session and Masters drums? The grade of wood used and the hardware. Doesn't change the fact that the Session was/is a semi-pro kit. They're semi-pro because you get a professional sound at a lower price point. Companies save the money on the hardware, grade of wood, and finishes...sometimes even manufacturing process. This was all taught to me by company reps and the drum shop I worked in won an award for highest Mapex sales country wide and placing in the top three world wide. We got nifty Hawaiian shirts.
 

nickg

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SGarrett":33doqzpr said:
They're semi-pro because you get a professional sound at a lower price point.
if you're basing "price point" as your criteria then a top of the line tricked out DW kit that cost somone $5000.00 would be considered "semi-pro" since they also have their $30,000 neil peart kit available.

would you consider Ludwig maple Classic kits "semi-pro" since their price point has now been ecliped by their new Legacy series? not at all.

the Saturn series is probably their most popular sales wise (at least here in the US), with the Pro M and M Birch close behind. most US Mapex drummers, professional or not, aren't playing the Orion series as much as the others.

though i'm not a fan, Chris Adler of Lamb of God uses the Saturn series and many pros are using the Pro M. if they weren't quality drums they wouldn't be taking them out on the road or on tours.

PDP are a good example too. a lot of drummers are touring with those kits at the pro level despite the fact that they are not the same as a regular DW kit. but they're a quality kit just the same.

not all drummers, even the big boys with their big endorsements, necessarily use THE top of the line kit for any particular company though they could just to look the part. but they play what they like, want or need based on sound, features, quality and everything combined.
 

SGarrett

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nickg":3k542s9g said:
SGarrett":3k542s9g said:
They're semi-pro because you get a professional sound at a lower price point.
if you're basing "price point" as your criteria then a top of the line tricked out DW kit that cost somone $5000.00 would be considered "semi-pro" since they also have their $30,000 neil peart kit available.

would you consider Ludwig maple Classic kits "semi-pro" since their price point has now been ecliped by their new Legacy series? not at all.

the Saturn series is probably their most popular sales wise (at least here in the US), with the Pro M and M Birch close behind. most US Mapex drummers, professional or not, aren't playing the Orion series as much as the others.

though i'm not a fan, Chris Adler of Lamb of God uses the Saturn series and many pros are using the Pro M. if they weren't quality drums they wouldn't be taking them out on the road or on tours.

PDP are a good example too. a lot of drummers are touring with those kits at the pro level despite the fact that they are not the same as a regular DW kit. but they're a quality kit just the same.

not all drummers, even the big boys with their big endorsements, necessarily use THE top of the line kit for any particular company though they could just to look the part. but they play what they like, want or need based on sound, features, quality and everything combined.
You do realize that the MANUFACTURERS set these levels, right? Using one $30k exception is just flat out ridiculous. Where did I say that semi-pro level kits aren't quality? Where did I say that professional level drummers aren't using them? Pacific drum shells are almost twice as thick as DW shells, offering a different sound. Kinda like the Saturn shells are different than the Orion. The difference is the quality of the hardware put on the drum along with the finish options. Professional level kits have more time put into the finishes, use a higher grade of wood, and use a higher grade of hardware. Let's look at PDP's tension rod. For all intents and purposes it's the same as DW's, they just cost less to produce because they're a different material and they don't have all the bells and whistles. The inserts and lugs are also cheaper to produce. Want to know another jump from semi-pro to pro level? Pro level kits aren't offered with factory hardware packages like every other price point is (your one exception excluded). But I obviously know nothing about this or the marketing used.

Oh, and by the way, if I didn't think my Pacific LX was a quality I wouldn't have bought it in the first place.
 

nickg

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up until this year Mapex did offer the Orion series with hardware packages. in 2007 they went with a totally "a la carte" type program with being able to pick and choose what you want shell configuration wise, leaving any hardware packages out of the picture.

with the other Mapex series you can still pick and choose your configuration if you like, but unlike with a shell/hardware pre-pack, you'll end up waiting 90-120 days for your order.

like i said before, i couldn't see spending the extra money for some of the extra "features" in the Orion series, that were negligable in my book. a few upgraded hardware features and outer "burl" ply just weren't major selling points for me at all.

and please don't take my opinions as any slam on what you are saying, because they are just my opinions. :D

i just think we differ on what differentiates between "pro" and "semi-pro", NOT including the so called "entry level" kits.

besides, i consider the neil peart 30K kit to be in the "more money than brains" category. :)
 

Chazdrums

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My drum teacher and good friend Lee, has a totally custom out of this world DW kit. 8 pieces of lovelyness, with might I add a custom paint job. You will never see a DW that looks like his.

I, on the other hand, have a 7 piece Mapex Saturn. Transparent Cherry Red. Gibralter Rack, and the Orion level mounts and other hardware.

Difference between Orion and Saturn Mapex kits = Saturn is Maple wrapt Walnut, Orion is Burl Maple wrapt Maple. Saturn has the H750A harware, and Orion has the H950A hardware. Oh and finishes are different. Thats it, Orion just happends to be all maple (more popular than walnut) so the series is Mapex's flagship series.

I have used both the DW monster and my Saturn on gigs, and for many lessons and jam sessions with friends who are not in my band. And everyone likes both kits. My drum teacher with the huge custom DW wants to get a Saturn because I can tune in a way larger range than his DW's. Throw some pinstripes on the Saturn and tune LOW LOW LOW, throw some coated ammbasidors on them and tune up for say a jazz gig.

Dont get me wrong, DW is great. I will one day own a DW, but I will always be a mapex Saturn player for the range and versitillity of the walnut/ maple combo.

My point is this. Many people love different drums. Get a kit that you know is quality and one that just makes you want to play it simply by looking at it. Thats the kit you want. Just looking at my kit makes me want to play soooooo bad. Thats why I do.
 

Atmerrill

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