i couldn't disagree with you more. The zbt line doesn't sound too great. they have a dull sound and are nothing compared to the higher end zildjian. I know this because I've played them for about 7 years. they are NOT fragile like this guy says, and if he "goes thru them like toilet paper" he really needs to stop playing his drums with baseball bats. What the zbts do do right is a decent sound, good quality, and the zildjian name all for a really affordable price. I would reccomend them to any beginner, or someone on a budget.truemusician":jf7ickvk said:deffinetly. zbt's are actually one of the best sounding cymbals zildjian has to offer. ther're bright, cutting, and just perfect for all kinds of music. the only downside is the durability. i go through those things like toilet paper. i have a zbt ride, hi hats, and china, and i love those, but the crashes crack super easy, which sucks cause i love the sound so damn much. i have a bunch of zxt's and i like those alot too. especially the flash splashes. the rock crashes arent to bad but not good for anything else except rock and metal. i actually kinda dislike the sound of k's cause they're too dark and blendy sometimes, i kinda want my cymbals to cut through the mix, so you can tell its a cymbal. just got to put this in here, if you ever buy chinas, get wuhans. they blow the shit out of every other china no competition. the 16 is beautiful in my opinion. ROCK ON>
it actually has less to do with playing hard and more to do with how long you've been playing the cymbal. The ZBT line is not durable at all, and with those cheap cymbal lines, often the cymbal is lathed unevenly so one point on the cymbal is heavier than the rest. That means that when you're smacking your cymbal, gravity is pulling the heaviest part towards you. After smacking that ONE spot over and over and over, eventually... it breaks. Trust me, while i have gone from heavy hitting to lighter cymbals hits... i still broke all the cheapo zbts i bought over the past couple years.MasterShake89":31odcvkp said:btw, i can play pretty hard when i get into it, and in 7 and a half years, i have yet to break a single cymbal.
i agree with you to a point...........i was speaking of first impressions however........and where cymbals are concerned, you get what you pay for soundwise............stupid,arrogant and ignorant?............do i really have to be all three?......i mean if you've been playing since 1970 why don't you act your age..........is all that namecalling necessary?..........or are you just having a bad day?................now go play your crappy cymbals mr. not very nice........jacobtennyson":1eisq677 said:I have been playing drums since 1970 and have done reasonably well for myself as musician. I was at a point where I had to replace my cymbals fast and cheep and currently went with the ZBT line becouse of my current limitations on funds. I have had these cymbals for about 6 months and have played an average of 3 times a week on them. Because I have treated the cymbals well they have done ok. The idiot that says seeing musicians with cheeper equipment makes him think novice or ameture simply does not have enough experience to no better. I have seen experienced players sound much beter on a Dixon kit with Camber cymbals then most people on DW kits with Paragon cymbals. Don't judge the ability of the musician by the quality of the equipment. That is pure stupitity, arrogance, and ignorance.