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Bowmanator

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people asking whats good in bad in the drum spectrum. I have some 2 cents that might help. I worked at guitar center for a year and a half in fountain valley CA, and I learned to look for things in drum kits most drummer dont know about and I saved several people from buying a P.O.S. by making them aware. such the quality of the actual wood used in the kit theyre looking at, the tom mounting, reinforcment rings, and paint job which makes a HUGE difference obviously and subtly.

Disclaimer: this all opinion and my conclusions are drawn from my experience, feel free to agree to disagree, im just sharing stories.

Pearl is borderline garbage with their inconsistency......IMHO of course (everyones entitled), yamaha, DW, and Sonor, best 3 companies around. I had PACIFIC maple kits in the store that had better tone that the pearl masters maple, honestly. The reference are OK and sound hearty, cool idea in shell composition, but not extraordinary, especially for the price (4k w/o hardware for a 5 piece no snare). The only pearl kit I would play would be the masters studio, they seem to always sound good.

Ive looked at some of the pearl kits shells very closesly and could see how porous the shell plys were, (meaning they were not as solid, but brittle if you can imagine, which can eventually cause rattles and have no sustain or warmth). disgusting for a 2000 drum kit.

Yamaha is the best bang for the buck by far, especially the Oak customs and the Birch Customs, DW is the best sounding, just steep on the pocket book and hard to justify with 7 piece yamaha maple kits costing less that 5 piece DW maple kits, but Im glad I went the extra bill to get the deedubs, theyre like buying a mercedes benz, not about what you spend, but what you get. Same goes with Sonor kits. Gretsch is always great, their reknown maples are awesome, and the USA maples are fantastic, also very expensive.

Tama's starclassic range is great, but I saw some kits where the shells were splitting, but it was most likely due to poor care and transport. The performers sound fabulous, as I used to have a 5 piece before my DW's, they sound just as good as the maple kits, which is why go with yamaha maple before Tama maple.The Tama maples have gnarley attack, but not warmth or body to them, hard to get different sounds out of them. The Bubinga kits are in a class of their own OMG,,, f**kin amazing sound.
Pork Pie, always a best bet, you find a good deal on a prok pie kit in stock, take it. Ive met the owner Bill on several occasions, awesome drum maker. open, warm and clear toms, much like yamahas, and the kicks kick a55.

snares however, theyre a mystery,

every company makes good ones and bad ones
the good:
Pearl Chad Smith - Dennis Chambers - Ultracast Aluminum

DW: anything but the black brass w/black hardware you see on ebay. Edge is #1, Bronze #2, Solid maple #3 (any size), the 5x14 10+6 ply are kind of inconsistent, hard to get a good tune sometimes. I have a 13x6 which I love to death, but havent found one that i could get to sound like it.

Yamaha: STEVE JORDAN SIGNATURE!! THE BEST MAPLE SNARE I KNOW OF, maple cust in any size ,7x14 birch,7x14 brass or copper. Akira Jimbo Signature is also a highly desirable piece.

Tama: 6.5 x14 bell brass, 8x14 G-maple or Bronze, any of the new warlords, played them at NAMM 07', they rock! 6.5x14 Starclassic Maple

Gretsch 5x14 maple or 5x14 nickle steel

Noble and Cooley: 5.5 x14 aluminum (THE BEST ALL AROUND), if you can find a 7x14 solid maple, you cant go wrong.

Pork Pie: 7x13 little squiler, 7x13 piglite or 6x14 piglite, and 10
ply maple they make

never impressed with an OCDP vent or spaun..........EVER
they seem to be just gimmicks with big holes and flames and neon green..and.....yeah..whatever.

Fibes snare are sexy as well, just hard to find.

TEMPUS and ROCKET SHELLS: do not fear synthetic drum shells like carbon fiber or fiberglass, I feared them until i played an entire kit. They sound BEAUTIFUL. perfectly round and rival anything out there. You see one, play it, give it a try, you might like them. Im saving my pennies to get a tempus 1/2 carbon 1/2 fiberglass 8x14 snare.

cymbals........no comment, its alllllll up to you.

my 2 cents of drum retail experience

fire away with your responses, im sure alot of you will argue otherwise with my comments.

AJB
 

Mike T

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I argue with everyone lol ... i am not a wizard on new drums but the ones i have seen and played on i did not like alot of your reason are sound...inconcistany i agree ...as far as snares the classics to me are still the best,Ludwig 402 supraphonic and Rogers Dynasonics..i do think they can be beat.... and i still play Rogers drums so i am not in the new drum market but it is good to see some observations from the counter side..

PS DW's sound great when you get them tuned..but no way they are worth that kind of money...IMO
 

Bowmanator

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they are expensive yes and I understand them not being worth the money, I felt the same way, and still do to a certain point, I just know I wouldn't be happy with anything else, which was something I had a hard time justifying, you know the "well i coulda spent another 300$ and had exactly what i wanted...", I wanted to avoid that, been there before.

Tuning the DW's is easy as pie, they fall out of tune after about an 1-2 hours or so of playing, which is the only complaint I have. But when theyre in perfect tune, they jump up +6db in voulume, its UNREAL what they do when the head is tuned to the fudamental pitch. I used to think the timber-match note stamp was a marketing gimmick, but it helps to acheive that tom tone.

I love the dynasonics. i have yet to get an LP402, and i need to. the Black Beauty should have been on that list as well, dont know how it slipped.

Cheers!
 

WhereSheWept

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Bowmanator":3k0flr5d said:
Yamaha: STEVE JORDAN SIGNATURE!! THE BEST MAPLE SNARE I KNOW OF, maple cust in any size ,7x14 birch,7x14 brass or copper.
I just played that snare the other day and couldn't agree more. What a beautiful sound! Wish I had the $cratch to buy it...
 

Mike T

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Bowmanator":301c5w7v said:
they are expensive yes and I understand them not being worth the money, I felt the same way, and still do to a certain point, I just know I wouldn't be happy with anything else, which was something I had a hard time justifying, you know the "well i coulda spent another 300$ and had exactly what i wanted...", I wanted to avoid that, been there before.

Tuning the DW's is easy as pie, they fall out of tune after about an 1-2 hours or so of playing, which is the only complaint I have. But when theyre in perfect tune, they jump up +6db in voulume, its UNREAL what they do when the head is tuned to the fudamental pitch. I used to think the timber-match note stamp was a marketing gimmick, but it helps to acheive that tom tone.

I love the dynasonics. i have yet to get an LP402, and i need to. the Black Beauty should have been on that list as well, dont know how it slipped.

Good point the black beauty and really any Ludwid supra or super sensitive or Dynasonic they very very nice snare drums..

Cheers!
 

RogersDrummer

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I'd have to say that I completely agree with you for the most part. I play a Yamaha Oak custom and i couldnt be happier. The best sounding set in the store in my opnion. I used to work at guitar center in san diego, back in 2000, and from what I've seen, Pearl is a little clunky. Expecially their hardware.

DW is the only place where I dissagree. I think DW's are EXTREAMLY overrated. They're OK, but nothing specail really. I think any Yamaha Absolute kit blows them away, and they're alot less.

Tama's tom mounting system is just plain stupid, and Gretsch, well they're great, but everyone friggin has a renown maple. Never had a Problem with Pork Pie. All their stuff seems to be high quality and it sounds great.

ddrum is another one. very good bang for the buck.

cheers
 

SmellsLikeIan

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Bowmanator wrote:Noble and Cooley: 5.5 x14 aluminum (THE BEST ALL AROUND), if you can find a 7x14 solid maple, you cant go wrong.


I have a 5.5x14 solid maple that I've gotten a lot of compliments from sound guys on, but I believe their metal snares are made of the Zildjian alloy, not aluminum. I would really love to have one of those as well.
 

phoenix7289

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RogersDrummer":1sx4ov7n said:
I'd have to say that I completely agree with you for the most part. I play a Yamaha Oak custom and i couldnt be happier. The best sounding set in the store in my opnion. I used to work at guitar center in san diego, back in 2000, and from what I've seen, Pearl is a little clunky. Expecially their hardware.

DW is the only place where I dissagree. I think DW's are EXTREAMLY overrated. They're OK, but nothing specail really. I think any Yamaha Absolute kit blows them away, and they're alot less.

Tama's tom mounting system is just plain stupid, and Gretsch, well they're great, but everyone friggin has a renown maple. Never had a Problem with Pork Pie. All their stuff seems to be high quality and it sounds great.

ddrum is another one. very good bang for the buck.

cheers
Yah I must say.... on the Tama Swingstar set... *shudder*
The tom-toms just never work out very well. Disgusting! They like moving downward and end up hitting my lovely(not) Tama Swingstar Bass drum.... God, this is why I want like a superstar or something better! STARCLASSIC BUBINGA!!! :D
Or how about... someone get me an EXACT replica of Nicko McBrain's set... I will want nothing more probably haha!
 
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