The cymbals I play with live have green marks all over them. It looks like the beginnings of rust, and its just from playing shows and having sweat/water fly all over my stuff. They are Zildjian Z Customs and Avedis. I tried the special Zildjian cleaner on my ride and it seemed to just make it look silver almost and didnt really help with the green marks. I follwed the directions perfectly and I was very disappointed. Now I'm looking for a cleaner that will make my stuff look new again. I have heard some of you talking about Groove Juice and some other products, and I was wondering if those would work even though the Zildjian cleaner did not?