Drum Workshop "piccolo-toms"

Animal

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I was recently to a Dio-concert in my hometown Hamar, Norway.
(Simon Wright were using my drums! 8) )

My question is;

Beside's the "ordinary" drumkit (2 SNARE DRUMS, 2 BASS DRUMS, 8", 10", 12", 14" TOMS, PLUS 16" AND 18" FLOOR-TOMS), he used 3 or 4 drums that were placed above the 16" and 18" floor-toms?

They were really high pitched, and had defined notes.
I think he only used them, during his drum solo.

Now I wonder; What kind of drums are they?

They looked like they were around 12-14 inches, and they all seemed to be alike in size.

The depth of the "drum" was probably around 2-3 inches.

The sound reminded a bit of the roto-toms, but it definately wasn't roto-toms.

Anyone in here who knows what kind of drums they are?
(They can also be spotted on the "Holy Diver Live" dvd)
 

Animal

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screamkevin":7559az10 said:
I'm thinking either Roto Toms or Timp-Toms.

Thanks for the ti(m)p!

But "Timp-Toms"? Never 'eard of it! (*Google*...)

Ah, the one's their using in American marching bands! :D

It could be it, but do they come in sizes that are not deep in inches? (Pardon my terrible English! :oops: ).

I think it could be it, but I'm quite sure the drums I saw were maximum 3 inches deep, maby just 2 inches deep.
 

Animal

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Yeah, I think this might be on to something;



I'm fairly sure there was no bottom rim on the drums, but the drum in front of the picture is, besides this, very similar.
 

Animal

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Here we are! :D
I'm positively sure these are the ones!



Still, I would be very pleased if someone could be helpful, providing information about the Timp-toms:

Prizes, sizes (width and depth), sound and tone quality, experiences using it on a regular kit, etc.

Last but not least;
I would still appreciate if someone could positively identify these drums as the ones that Simon Wright of Dio uses. Preferably, also what sizes he uses.

Thanks alot screamkevin, for puttin' me on the track! :D
 

Animal

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loop":3tp5zwkf said:
I think they're called picollo toms(?) Am I right? :)
Yeah! :D



I was "googleing" some more, and you're absolutely right.

THIS is the ones I was looking for! :D

Thanks for the tip. I am still interested in feedback, regarding prizes, sizes, tone quality, etc.

It seems like DW are the only manufactorer of the piccolo tom.
Correct? (It makes sense, as I think mr Wright endorses DW).

The only thing I'm not sure about, is they seem to be made exclusively by chrome steel, and I'm fairly sure the ones I saw were wood. (Allthough it may hav been black finish on chrome steel).
 

Animal

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More information on the piccolo-toms:

From my "investigation" on the internet, it seems that DW are exclusive manufacturer of the piccolo-toms.

They are all 2" deep, and comes in diameters of 8", 10" and 12".
Retail prize seems to be $ 139, $ 149 and $ 159.

Please! Is there ANYONE at all on the forum that have tried out those piccolo-toms? Please give feedback on your experiences with them! :idea:

 

m

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I have 2 of those.
I believe they did manufacture some wooden-shelled models, but they were rare. I've seen a few on ebay.

I like mine. I pair them up with 2 octobans, on either side of my kit.
you can see the Pic toms below the floor toms; they have the white-striped heads.



we do a lot of middle-eastern flavored rock and these fit really well in that style, I think. They're a little 'boingy,' but you could temper that with muting I'm sure. Definitely sound more like Roto-toms than Octobans, but there's a bit more tonality to them than a typical roto, I guess.

Any specific questions about them? I'll do my best to help.
m
 

Animal

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m":2d9lz118 said:
I have 2 of those.
I believe they did manufacture some wooden-shelled models, but they were rare. I've seen a few on ebay.

I like mine. I pair them up with 2 octobans, on either side of my kit.
you can see the Pic toms below the floor toms; they have the white-striped heads.



we do a lot of middle-eastern flavored rock and these fit really well in that style, I think. They're a little 'boingy,' but you could temper that with muting I'm sure. Definitely sound more like Roto-toms than Octobans, but there's a bit more tonality to them than a typical roto, I guess.

Any specific questions about them? I'll do my best to help.
m
Thanks a lot, m!

I really appreciate your feedback on this topic.

That was really helpful! :D

Can I take it that the piccolo-toms sounds like something between:
Roto-toms, Timbales, Octobans and an Egyptian Derbuka, then?! :wink:

I must say that I would really like to buy those drums.

How stable are they, tuning-wise?
How do you "hook them up"? (Different possibilities with stands, clamps, and so forth)
Also, can you tell me some more, regarding the possibility for the existence of wood types too?
Do you have any links or other information.
(The picture I enclosed in post #5 (?) in this topic, shows some wooden ones, but from the picture it seems that their depth/height is more than 2" - 2,5" inches (the messures I've seen on the piccolo-toms from DW).

(Off topic; Do you guys say "depth" or "height" to describe the messure of a drum, besides the diameter? :? )

Anyway, you have a real nice kit! Great, and original set up!
What's the name of your band? Have you recorded any CDs.
I love the musical flavour of the middle east myself! :D
 

Animal

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Additional question, m;

I saw a drum om "www.shopping.msn.com" that reads
"Pearl 3x13 inch Brass Timbale with Tom Mount"

Is this Brass Timbale the same, soundwise as the piccolo tom, or is it different? This one is 3" x 13", whilst the piccolo-toms I've seen are 2" x 8", (or) 10", (or) 12".



Also, I found a brand called "Hart", and they mak something they call the "Pro-tom". Looks similar too.



Are they in fact all the same?
Pearl "Brass Timbale"
Hart "Pro-tom" (EDIT! These are electronic drums, right?)
Drum Workshop "Piccolo-tom"

Your piccolo-toms, are they DW, or a different brand?
 

m

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Animal":33j0nbsq said:
Can I take it that the piccolo-toms sounds like something between:
Roto-toms, Timbales, Octobans and an Egyptian Derbuka, then?!

How stable are they, tuning-wise?
How do you "hook them up"? (Different possibilities with stands, clamps, and so forth)
Also, can you tell me some more, regarding the possibility for the existence of wood types too?

Anyway, you have a real nice kit! Great, and original set up!
What's the name of your band? Have you recorded any CDs.
I love the musical flavour of the middle east myself! :D
something like that, yes. Closest resemblance would be rotos; they're less 'metallic' sounding than timbales, and lack the hollow/tubular sound of octos.

Very stable, tuning-wise. I've had mine for more than 8 months, and they haven't slipped at all.

They have a standard DW mount, as shown in the picture you posted. So you could mount them anywhere you could put a tom-holder with that size rod. Because of their size and depth, they're really easy to stick just about anywhere.

thanks for the comments on the kit, I appreciate it! My band is linked in my signature- (I think the musicplayer is glitching on that page right now though- but the one on our backup account works; http://www.myspace.com/analogmissionary2 )
or there's the regular old homepage: http://www.analogmissionary.com
we do have a couple albums, but they don't have any of the middle-eastern tunes, we just got into that recently- it'll be on the upcoming album.

Come to think of it, I do have a prepro track we're working on that features the pic tom in it, if you'd like to hear it.
 

m

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Animal":2g1ym3hn said:
Are they in fact all the same?
Pearl "Brass Timbale"
Hart "Pro-tom" (EDIT! These are electronic drums, right?)
Drum Workshop "Piccolo-tom"

Your piccolo-toms, are they DW, or a different brand?
I don't think these would sound the same, really.

The Pearl is closer to the dimensions of a typical timbale, so I think they'd sound much different than a pic tom. More metallic, sort of like a metal snare with the snares off.

The piccolos sound much more like a small tom- boingier, with a definite pitch and long decay.

The Hart Pro-tom is an electronic trigger pad. I gigged with one of those for several years. It has no acoustic tone; it uses a mesh head and has a solid, closed bottom surface.

My piccs are DW, I bought them from the local dealer.
 

Animal

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m":18ll0b4w said:
My band is linked in my signature- (I think the musicplayer is glitching on that page right now though- but the one on our backup account works; http://www.myspace.com/analogmissionary2 )
or there's the regular old homepage: http://www.analogmissionary.com
we do have a couple albums, but they don't have any of the middle-eastern tunes, we just got into that recently- it'll be on the upcoming album.

Come to think of it, I do have a prepro track we're working on that features the pic tom in it, if you'd like to hear it.
Thank's a lot for good description on those piccolo-toms, m! :D
I really appericiate it!

Your piccolo-toms; Are they different sizes, or are they both 12"s?

Any thoughts on using same size on the piccolo's, compared to three different size's?

I would most definately like to hear your prepro track, if possible! :D I'll check out your link later on, as I have no sound on my PC, where I am now. (My cohabitant and her daughter is filling the room performing "Singstar"-tunes, no less if you must know... :roll: )

Thanks again for really useful information! (Unless you endorse DW products, that is! :wink: )

You made my decition a lot easier, and I will definately concider buying 2 or three piccolo-toms! 8)
 

m

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hehe; nope - not a DW endorser. We do have a DW kit at our main studio, but we paid for it.

Both my piccs are 8", but they have a wide tunable range, so they sound pretty different. I think even if you get 3 of the same size, you won't have a problem getting a variety of tones.

I don't have the track loaded up anywhere yet- hoping to do that soon...
 

Animal

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m":2yv5v05y said:
hehe; nope - not a DW endorser. We do have a DW kit at our main studio, but we paid for it.

Both my piccs are 8", but they have a wide tunable range, so they sound pretty different. I think even if you get 3 of the same size, you won't have a problem getting a variety of tones.

I don't have the track loaded up anywhere yet- hoping to do that soon...
Just kidding about that DW enorsement thing! :wink:

The reason I asked about using piccolos in similar sizes, was due to the fact that some sizes often sound better than others.

Why did you choose to have two similar sizes, m?
Is it because the 8"s sound better than the other sizes, or did you just got the best bargain on those drums?

Tuning-wise, how large is the range on the piccolo-drum (performing quality notes), roughly speaking?
 

Animal

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m":3u4g3pwq said:
I believe they did manufacture some wooden-shelled models, but they were rare.
Just thought I'd mention that I found this picture on a dutch website.



The seller states that "2x8" piccolo tom (wooden shell)" and "The two piccolo toms were custom made after the kit - their birth date is October 2, 2000 with/registered number #72009. There are absolutely no signs of wear or age. The hand-applied lacquer finish is called Regal to Royal Burst. All shells are equipped with reinforcement rings"

Anyway, a real nice kit indeed! :D

I sure would like to wooden piccolo-toms in "solid black" myself. :wink:



Anyway, it says "€ 1600", all included! :shock:

That can't be possible, or can it?! :?
Sounds like a real bargain buy (all though it's probably sold, because it was enclosed in february 06).
 
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