Best Way to Clean Cymbals

Buddylee78

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I have a brilliant finish zildjian crash and then the regular (?) finish sweet ride -
after 130 shows this year they've got some wear and some weird stains on them -
any ideas on cleaning it off? i've tried quite a bit but nothing seems to work 100% and i've heard that cymbal cleaner they sell at stores doesn't do much at all -

thanks
Brian
 

Spydr2000

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Well after a cymbal gets that bad I honestly couldn't tell you how to clean it. I clean mine after every show and spray them with a car detail wax and my cymbals look like the day i got them.
 

PaulZILLA

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well for my brilliant finish cymbals i use zildjian cymbal cleaner ever week. but i dont play zildjian cymbals lol. for my cheaper cymbals i use brass-o. if you dont clean them regularly the odds are you are going to have permanent discoloration to an extent.
 

Jamell

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Some of the Jazz drummers I know rather keep the cymbol dirty then clean it. Sometimes when you use cleaner like Groove Juice it takes out some of the sound quality. Some jazz drummers also bury their cymbols in dirt to get a better sound, it's all on prefrence, I don't clean mine, nor do i bury it though. I think after you break a cymbol in, it starts to have a better tone, but like I said, all preference, maybe you wanna try it.
Cheers
-Tommy
 

downshifter99

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Wrights Copper Cream...this brings em' back!!!

Breaking in a cymbal?....It's not a motor.

Cleaning em' loses sound quality?....You are off your rocker.

I've discussed this at length before;cymbals are clean when you get them...so,why do you (A)have to break em' in(does that mean the factory sells cymbals that aren't complete?)....they are ready to go from the time they come out of the factory!!! (B)you buy a certain series cymbal(s) because of how they sound(NEW)so,to keep that sound you must clean them....if not then they sound "darker" because of all the crap in the tonal grooves....jazz drummers need cymbals(& drums)to blend in the music,not jump out in front(ie;loose snares,brushes,thin sticks,ect...)that is why they "bury" their cymbals.

So,I bet you believe that you shoud let a bunch of crap get built up inside your drum shells too.....(so,they sound darker...as apposed to just getting mahogany shells....or Hand Hammered series cymbals).

Wake up and smell the amps!!!

Whoever told you all that stuff is a fool. :idea:
 

drummerdoug70

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Believe it or not, I buy the sabian cymbal cleaner and it works really well. I get it at guitar center. It doesn't make them look like brand new but from the audience you can't tell the difference, they still shine like they are brand new.
 

tamadrumr50

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As I own a autobody shop!! I can take a piece of crap cymbal with 20 yrs of Crap on it !!! Make it look brand new better than NEW!! in less than 2 mins!!! and i dont care what any one will tell YOU BEEn DOIN it for 20rys!!! I use a light compound that i buff cars with on them at about 1500rpm MAN its the shizz ya can use it for mirror !! If any thing it makes them have a brighter sound and it doesent hurt the groves!!! NUF SAID
 

downshifter99

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tamadrumr50":38mbhqjy said:
As I own a autobody shop!! I can take a piece of crap cymbal with 20 yrs of Crap on it !!! Make it look brand new better than NEW!! in less than 2 mins!!! and i dont care what any one will tell YOU BEEn DOIN it for 20rys!!! I use a light compound that i buff cars with on them at about 1500rpm MAN its the shizz ya can use it for mirror !! If any thing it makes them have a brighter sound and it doesent hurt the groves!!! NUF SAID
I have heard of guys doing that before......as long as the RPMs aren't MASSIVE,that WILL do the job.
 

quikstang2

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Try Flitz metal polish...maybe even that Flitz ball that goes on a power drill too.

It will take the labels off.

For the most part, I agree with downshifter99, but there is some stuff out there that whill eat up your cymbals and destroy them (so they obviously lost sound quality). I went to school with a kid who ruined all his cymbals with some cleaner. So as long as nobody else has melted their cymbals, then try what they use.
 

downshifter99

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quikstang2":1uzgj5ck said:
Try Flitz metal polish...maybe even that Flitz ball that goes on a power drill too.

It will take the labels off.

For the most part, I agree with downshifter99, but there is some stuff out there that whill eat up your cymbals and destroy them (so they obviously lost sound quality). I went to school with a kid who ruined all his cymbals with some cleaner. So as long as nobody else has melted their cymbals, then try what they use.
I swear that Wrights copper cream is better than any of those"cymbal"cleaners.

I've spent alot on my Sabian AA,AAX,HH,Effects cymbals....I wouldn't recommend it otherwise.

Happy Hollidays!!! 8)
 
I use the sabian cleaner, spray it on and make sure i coat the whole cymbal, then let it sit for about 30 to 40 secs, wipe em off, they look pretty good, bad spots needs more attention at times maybe a second soak is all thats needed.
The sabian logos will start to come off as well as other cymbals out there im sure, but its not about the manufacture name sticking out, its about the sound they make.
Peace,

Joel
 

Buddylee78

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lol - look at what i've started! thanks for all the feedback -

i got all the other 'regular' finish (is there a correct name for that?) cymbals spotless with some spot cleaner stuff and a dish pad -

the brilliant finish is giving me a hell of a time - i have NO idea where these stains have come from either - i'm sure its water but i can't remember when that much got on there -

anyways - i'll give that copper cream a shot but i don't know where to find it -

and the auto body suggestion will be my next try after that -

thanks again guys -
Brian
 

SmellsLikeIan

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downshifter99":26a9m0ec said:
Wrights Copper Cream...this brings em' back!!!

Breaking in a cymbal?....It's not a motor.

Cleaning em' loses sound quality?....You are off your rocker.

I've discussed this at length before;cymbals are clean when you get them...so,why do you (A)have to break em' in(does that mean the factory sells cymbals that aren't complete?)....they are ready to go from the time they come out of the factory!!! (B)you buy a certain series cymbal(s) because of how they sound(NEW)so,to keep that sound you must clean them....if not then they sound "darker" because of all the crap in the tonal grooves....jazz drummers need cymbals(& drums)to blend in the music,not jump out in front(ie;loose snares,brushes,thin sticks,ect...)that is why they "bury" their cymbals.

So,I bet you believe that you shoud let a bunch of crap get built up inside your drum shells too.....(so,they sound darker...as apposed to just getting mahogany shells....or Hand Hammered series cymbals).

Wake up and smell the amps!!!

Whoever told you all that stuff is a fool. :idea:


Well I must be a fool.......My A Zildjians have never seen a thorough cleaning, and I have considered burying them, though I probably won't since I never have much time between gigs. Think about cymbals as another musical instrument, not just cymbals. I know were not talking guitars here, but any guitar player will tell you that a guitar's sound gets better with age and as it is strummed, the resonance causes the wood to compress and become more dense over time. That's why Martin guitars made 30 years ago sound better than new ones made of the same type of wood. Obviously their manufacturing process hasn't gotten crappy over the years. Time and wear, while not pretty can cause instruments to obtain unique and desireable (to some people) characteristics. It all depends on what works best for YOU....The only fools are people who call everyone with a different way of doing things fools. And BTW I don't play jazz, and while I do try to "blend in" with the other musicians (hey, it's a band, I'm not up here in front of a thousand people to play by myself!) I've never had a sound guy tell me that he couldn't hear my cymbals. Unless you're trying to compete with a bunch of Marshall stacks and are using no drum microphones, volume is not a problem and sound is a matter of what works for you and your band. And if you clean them purely for looks and like the sound you get from them, fine, just don't knock me and my beautifully dark, dirty A Zildjians.
 

Rob Crisp

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I heard tomato sauce works somewhere, so I tried it and what do ya know, finger prints gone in minutes! If you try it just be careful not to leave on decals too long... that stuff will strip em off!

Course, you're shiny cymbals smell like a Heinz factory....
 

quikstang2

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drum_masta":2nkhcx7y said:
I know this is off topic but does any one know ideas about taking rust off hardware?
Steel wool. It'll scuff up the surrounding chrome too though. I don't think there's a way to actually get rid of rust unless you were to go to an autobody place and have them spray it with some certain stuff (I forget the name), but all your hardware will be black.
If you scuff it all off try spraying it with a clear coat of spray paint, you should lay down some adhesion promoter first.

Not proven technology, so don't hold me to it. I may try it on some of my hardware this week.
 

zen_drummer

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downshifter99":2sjnlk2w said:
Breaking in a cymbal?....It's not a motor.
Wake up and smell the amps!!!
Whoever told you all that stuff is a fool. :idea:
Not really...

When you play a cymbal, it goes through a process called "work hardening" and the crystaline structure of the bronze is actually altered by the stick striking it, so in essence, it does "break in".

Hand Hammering a cymbal is also work hardening it, but since you're hitting it with a hammer instead of a wooden stick, it has a more profound effect. "breaking in" a cymbal happens over a MUCH longer period of time and it is far more subtle than whacking it with a hammer.

For the math junkies out there, There are two common mathematical descriptions of the work hardening phenomenon.

Hollomon's equation is a power law relationship between the stress and the amount of strain.

Ludwik's equation is similar but includes the yield stress,



where K is the strength index and n is the strain hardening index.

If a material has been subjected to prior deformation (at low temperature such as hammering) then the yield stress will be increased by a factor depending on the amount of prior strain.



The constant K is structure dependent and is influenced by processing while n is a material property normally lying in the range 0.2-0.5. The strain hardening index can be described by:


This equation can be evaluated from the slope of a log(σ) - log(ε) plot. Rearraging allows a determination of the rate of strain hardening at a given stress and strain


Any Questions?

Bueler??

Anyone?
 

Erik

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Hi.
*If* you want your cymbals clean,
I use "Fantastic" spray and paper towels.
Never had a problem.

I once used specialy made cymbal cleaner, but it
was very harsh (basically just a metal cleanser)
and if you use it over the brand name writing
ie: "Zildjian" or "Paiste" etc.. written in black, the
cleanser can take that right off.

For rust on hardware: Clean it the best you can,
make sure it is dry, then with AWESOME Schwarzenegger
strenght, rub layers of flat aluminum Foil over the rusted part.
Something about the hardness scale here (you know, diamonds
are a 10). If you are getting rust because of humidity, get a
dehumidifier and cover your drums with a thick sheet or blanket.
(that is my best advice) (sorry it could not be better).
good luck :)
 

The Heel

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zen_drummer":1c91bew6 said:
downshifter99":1c91bew6 said:
Breaking in a cymbal?....It's not a motor.
Wake up and smell the amps!!!
Whoever told you all that stuff is a fool. :idea:
Not really...

When you play a cymbal, it goes through a process called "work hardening" and the crystaline structure of the bronze is actually altered by the stick striking it, so in essence, it does "break in".

Hand Hammering a cymbal is also work hardening it, but since you're hitting it with a hammer instead of a wooden stick, it has a more profound effect. "breaking in" a cymbal happens over a MUCH longer period of time and it is far more subtle than whacking it with a hammer.

For the math junkies out there, There are two common mathematical descriptions of the work hardening phenomenon.

Hollomon's equation is a power law relationship between the stress and the amount of strain.

Ludwik's equation is similar but includes the yield stress,



where K is the strength index and n is the strain hardening index.

If a material has been subjected to prior deformation (at low temperature such as hammering) then the yield stress will be increased by a factor depending on the amount of prior strain.



The constant K is structure dependent and is influenced by processing while n is a material property normally lying in the range 0.2-0.5. The strain hardening index can be described by:


This equation can be evaluated from the slope of a log(σ) - log(ε) plot. Rearraging allows a determination of the rate of strain hardening at a given stress and strain


Any Questions?

Bueler??

Anyone?
Do you believe that cleaning a cymbal would in any way be detrimental to the breaking in process or the sound you get from them when they are broken in?
 
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