I use Remo coated ambassadors on the batter and resonant sides and I can't seem to get ride of the over ring. I bought these heads hoping for a good 'thud' sound from my toms and because I noticed that a lot of the bands I listen to and like the sound of their toms use them too. I have tried everything and I still can't get the right kind of sound I've been looking for. If anyone has any suggestions on how I should tune them so that I get a good 'thud' sound with out over ring or even some different heads I should try so that I get that sound, please let me know. I play mostly noise rock type music and I don't really want to tune them too high. Thanks for any suggestions.