Daney Carey vs. Mike Portnoy

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Post Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:30 pm

Crusher wrote:I love both drummers
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Post Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:40 pm

Dale wrote:
DrumHead15 wrote:Did Mike go to school? Danny sure did. This is kinda like the old Ywenve Malsteen (sp?) vs Eddie Van Halen debate. Eddie has feeling and soul to balance out the speed. Danny equalls Eddie in this one. I prefer Tool to DT. Individual preference.


Mike Portnoy went to berklee. He studied music theory, harmony, arranging, sight singing, and ear training.

At high school level he studied guitar, music theory and harmony; as well as playing in the marching and school band.

I don't mind the 13 year old kid starting the thread, but some of the comments read, to me at least, to be based solely on personal bias.

Who the Hell cares???

These guys are not doing anything new. Prog started back in the 60's. By the mid 1980's it had all been done. These two very talented musicians are following a tradition. Just as all the drummers before them did. And will do in the future.

But anyway, I don't know what I'm talking about. So let the arguments continue!


I dunno. I think the fact that Danny Carey is incorporating a lot of Indian percussion into his playing is something new. Obviously not entirely new as in "never been done before", but really, you don't hear too many drummers doing it, especially in popular music. The only others that come to mind off hand are The Beatles. And they only went so far with it. But again, I'm not saying Danny is the only one who has done. I will definitely say he's applying a lot of it in new ways though.
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Post Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:24 pm

Johnny Cat wrote:I dunno. I think the fact that Danny Carey is incorporating a lot of Indian percussion into his playing is something new. Obviously not entirely new as in "never been done before", but really, you don't hear too many drummers doing it, especially in popular music. The only others that come to mind off hand are The Beatles. And they only went so far with it. But again, I'm not saying Danny is the only one who has done. I will definitely say he's applying a lot of it in new ways though.




I was going to write the same thing, dude :) His ethnic inspiratioms are one of the main reasons I like/listen to tool. It's really innovative in my opinion
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Post Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:43 pm

Ditto the indian vibe with Danny. This really polorizes opinions by taste I think. Any discussion is good as long as it is valued.
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Post Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:23 pm

uhh my personal favorite is Mike Portnoy. He plays some amazing grooves and his use of the ghost note is incredible....but thats just my oppnion...
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Post Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:58 pm

my two fav drummers...but Ill go with the blue drum god..

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Post Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:54 am

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Post Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:58 am

They are both good drummers, but I prefer people like Thomsas Lang, Dave Weckl, or Vinny! To me I can respect some one a lot more if they have played in a symphony or has gone down more than one road of drumming... Lang is the man, oo and Bozzio is also awesome. I just think that these two drummers are almost narrow minded. If i had to pick I'd say Danny, just my oppinion though.
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Post Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:04 am

Justino wrote:They are both good drummers, but I prefer people like Thomsas Lang, Dave Weckl, or Vinny! To me I can respect some one a lot more if they have played in a symphony or has gone down more than one road of drumming... Lang is the man, oo and Bozzio is also awesome. I just think that these two drummers are almost narrow minded. If i had to pick I'd say Danny, just my oppinion though.
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How is Danny Carey narrowminded?

He plays more than one style of music, in more than one band. Just because his style he plays with Tool is the main focus of attention, it does not make him narrowminded.

And both Danny and Tool's philosophy has always been about being open, and trying different avenues of expression.
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Post Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:38 am

Neither of these drummers really do much for me. I hate Tool, and Portnoy relies on the same licks for every fill or solo. I saw Portnoy in a clinic in atlanta, and his technique was terrible. I dont think either of these guys are the "gods" they are cracked up to be.
They dont hold a candle to guys like Weckl, Colaiuta, or Horacio.
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Post Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:06 am

These guys are not doing anything new. Prog started back in the 60's. By the mid 1980's it had all been done. These two very talented musicians are following a tradition. Just as all the drummers before them did. And will do in the future.
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the guy who said this hit the nail right on the head. Thats why I said they were narrow minded. Not to say that they are not good, danny is the man, awesome drummer, tool is awesome also. But again these types of drummers are not very influentual to me because they are playing a lot of what we have all already heard. TLang and DWeckl are my favorite drummers and it's because they created an evolution of the past not just the same old style. Chick Corea... enough said there. and TLang is just off the wall with his techno rock (i have no clue what to call his style maybe industrial). TLang also is such an invoative drummer that he is changing drumming, I think he is a pioneer that is openeing the door to new styles and techniques.
Well that was my rant I'm not trying to bash any one I just think there are better drummers out there.
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Post Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:22 pm

I got to give it to Danny, I just feel like Portnoy hasn't progressed since the first DT album, I'm hearing the same quad rolls and splash hits and alternating ride/china 8th rides first to last cd. I give him props on making his odd times so fluid but his feel isn't exactly rock solid as is evident in his live performances. The same goes for him LTE stuff.
Danny on the other hand has progressed from his first Tool cd to his last. I personally believe hes as original as they come and his groove is rock solid at all volumes, unlike Portnoy who I believe is questionable at lower volumes.
With all that said its not gospel but merely my personal opinion, both are playing music for a living and making good money at it so they're
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Post Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:34 am

Justino wrote:These guys are not doing anything new. Prog started back in the 60's. By the mid 1980's it had all been done. These two very talented musicians are following a tradition. Just as all the drummers before them did. And will do in the future.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^
the guy who said this hit the nail right on the head. Thats why I said they were narrow minded. Not to say that they are not good, danny is the man, awesome drummer, tool is awesome also. But again these types of drummers are not very influentual to me because they are playing a lot of what we have all already heard. TLang and DWeckl are my favorite drummers and it's because they created an evolution of the past not just the same old style. Chick Corea... enough said there. and TLang is just off the wall with his techno rock (i have no clue what to call his style maybe industrial). TLang also is such an invoative drummer that he is changing drumming, I think he is a pioneer that is openeing the door to new styles and techniques.
Well that was my rant I'm not trying to bash any one I just think there are better drummers out there.
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That's fair enough then. I'm a fan both of Danny Carey, as well as a lot of the drummers you mentioned, and older prog bands in general, but I still can't say I entirely agree with that. Tool's character and approach has not been done by anyone else, and Danny is a big part of it. They are absolutely following a tradition in a lot of ways. But then again, the use of a Fibbonaci sequence in a song? Haven't seen that before, and even if it's just coincidental, I haven't even seen it pop up as coincidence in anyone else's work. The closest thing I can think of is when Rush incorporated morse code when they were writing YYZ (even though Rush are not truly prog). Haven't seen any other of the lyrical themes and references they use either, and again I cite the use of Danny's Indian percussion work as some fresh stuff.

But I respect your opinion wholeheartedly. :) Thanks a lot for elaborating. Cheers!
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Post Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:03 am

Danny Carey has this one all day!
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