Daney Carey vs. Mike Portnoy

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Post Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:02 pm

Brazilian Drummer wrote:I agree with scream kevim, there is no shuch thing as best...
but as far as "overall" unles we saw each guy take a shot at all diferent styles of music, tham maybe we could say something.

I'm a big DT fan and have seen Mike play live, he is one of my fav. drummers, alongside with Carter Beauford and Joao Barone and I have seen them all live, and mikes energy on stage is awsome, he is such a good performer, you got to give it up to those guys that go out day after day performing their hearts out everytime. hopefuly I'll be able to do that someday.


those 2 are awsome drumes pornoy is my favorit out of the 2, but I cant say wich is better them the other


well said.... I have respect for both Portnoy and Carey and this should not be a discussion on who is better. Both have contributed to their bands respectfully. Having said that, personally, I have been absolutely blown away with Danny Carey's drumming for the past 15 years or so. His understanding of musical theory and the placement of notes have paved the way for drummers of the future to carve their own niche on music.
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Post Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:08 pm

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Post Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:00 pm

ugh... mike is way more schooled and educated than danny is... I guarantee Mike could play everything Danny ever played on a Tool album while blindfolded and both his legs broken at the knees lol... I practically can play everything danny plays on a tool cd like that lol... We should argue about drummers who are worth a damn tho, like George Kollias, John Longstreth or Tony Royster Junior
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Post Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:15 pm

Did Mike go to school? Danny sure did. This is kinda like the old Ywenve Malsteen (sp?) vs Eddie Van Halen debate. Eddie has feeling and soul to balance out the speed. Danny equalls Eddie in this one. I prefer Tool to DT. Individual preference.
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Post Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:40 pm

hahaha this was funny once again sorry i posted this thread. I am only 13 i didnt know any better i had to do it..lol u know what i mean. I am new to this forum also i have to say i think it is great it seems like everbody wanst to help each other. I been on some forums and there is some pretty insulting people out there.

anybody check out the new DT dvd SCORE? i will post a thread for that
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Post Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:58 am

I think he did. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Portnoy and all of Dream Theater are GIT, BIT, PIT graduates, etc. But Danny Carey is also considerably educated.

Here's a brief background on his education taken from DannyCarey.org

"At the age of 10 I joined the school band and started taking private lessons on snare drum with Keith Murray. Bryan Ayers was my first drum set teacher I studied with 2 years later. They both had the illustrious reputations of being the best drummers in Paola Ks. Through junior high and into high school I continued private instruction with John Whitney to prepare for a college music education. During my senior year in high school, I also studied jazz with Allen Carter who was a student of Joe Morello. My college experience started out in Emporia Ks. with Rex Stone as instructor but I only lasted 1 semester before fleeing the "sticks" and relocating at UMKC to study with Charmaign Asher-Wiley for 4 years. Michael Udow, who was teaching there at this time, was also a strong influence on my formative years in legit percussion training. My education after college came from going through books and exercises on my own and dealing with whatever the road dished out until I met Aloke Dutta in 1998. His knowledge of classical east Indian drumming is quite vast and eye opening, and he has shared it with me most generously over the last few years."

To say Portnoy is more schooled is simply not true.

It all depends on the context of the bands. You have to look at the songs each band writes. Maybe Portnoy's parts are more techinical than Danny's, maybe they're not. Keep in mind that Portnoy is backing musicians that are also really technical, whereas Danny is not so much. I'm willing to bet if you put Danny Carey in Dream Theater he could come up with parts that were just as, if not moreso complicated than Mike Portnoy's parts, and a lot of fans wouldn't care because they're only looking at technicality anyways.

But the thing is, if you put Portnoy in Tool, it would NOT sound like Tool. Danny gives Tool something that goes beyond technnicality alone. Whether this is good or bad is a matter of opinion.

Neither drummer is better, but I prefer Danny Carey. One reason is because you can put any style of music or percussion in front of the guy, whether it be rock, prog, jazz, pop, classical percussion, Indian Classical, you name it, and he can play it, and play it well.
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Post Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:41 am

tamadrummer321 wrote:Danny Carey or Mike Portnoy

Who do u think overall is the best drummer????


Well I don't know. If I were to think about it, we really have to look to the past. Would Danny Carey or Mike Portnoy do what they do if not for people like Bill Bruford and Carl Palmer? And would Carl Palmer and Bill Bruford have done what they did or do if not for people like Buddy Rich and Joe Morello? And would Joe and Buddy have done what they did if not for people like Baby Dodds and Chick Webb? And would there have been a Chick Webb or Baby Dodds if not for George Lawrence Stone and Billy Gladstone???

There's nothing new under the sun. Best just to try to appreciate what each individual offers and leave it at that. All this odd time stuff has been done before. Long complex fills have been done before.

Who's the best? How on Earth would I know??? Does it even matter???
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Post Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:14 am

TrunJun wrote:ugh... mike is way more schooled and educated than danny is... I guarantee Mike could play everything Danny ever played on a Tool album while blindfolded and both his legs broken at the knees lol... I practically can play everything danny plays on a tool cd like that lol... We should argue about drummers who are worth a damn tho, like George Kollias, John Longstreth or Tony Royster Junior


It's not about being able to duplicate someone else's music...there's countless cover bands that can do both bands justice...Some of my students can play alot of Portnoy's grooves as well...does that mean they are at the same level??? Tony Royster Jr.??? I don't think he even falls into the same category as these guys...Put 20 years experience of playing in some tech bands...not shit like En Vouge & the Mickey Mouse club, then he can be brought to the table. Don't get me wrong, he's got some amazing chops, but he's a cocky little bitch & that alone discounts him alot in my opinion. I've met him a few times in the past at the Modern Drummer festivals & I was very unimpressed with his attitude, and just in general as a person. Ron Bruner Jr. on the other hand, another child prodigy (so to speak) is light years ahead of Tony & is quite approachable & the guy has played some serious music with Stanley Clarke & Suicidal Tend.

I guess there's always the measure of who's made more money?? Seems alot of people are judging the 2 guys off of other ridiculous measures....so in that case Danny Carey wins hands down right?? Considering Tool made more money off there first 2 albums than Dream Theather will ever gross. So I guess Danny Carey wins the popular vote. Portnoy is an animal, so I don't want anyone to think I am discounting him in the least either...I just am not a fan of Dream Theather in the least...the Liquid Tension stuff is decent for me...But I think Tool has a feel that is untouched by any other band...You hear a Tool song...you immediatley know who it is.
He has a feel most drummers cannot grasp. You can tell right off the bat both of their influences, but I think Carey has seperated himself from his influences more so that Portnoy has.

My 2 cents, call me a dick or not...but that's my opinion.
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Post Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:25 am

Anyway, Mickey Dolenz leaves them in the dust!

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Post Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:41 am

you are correct...now that was a drummer for certain!!!!
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Post Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:49 am

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Just look at him! You can see the natural talent bursting forth.

Mickey was ahead of his time!

Now look at this motley crew.


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How can they possibly compete???

It's an unfair comparrison.
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Post Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:55 am

it's all about the hair...we knew that!!!

That or the sailor suit...it channels drumming prowess. I believe Buddy Rich wrote a book about that. :)
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Post Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:06 pm

DrumHead15 wrote:Did Mike go to school? Danny sure did. This is kinda like the old Ywenve Malsteen (sp?) vs Eddie Van Halen debate. Eddie has feeling and soul to balance out the speed. Danny equalls Eddie in this one. I prefer Tool to DT. Individual preference.


Mike Portnoy went to berklee. He studied music theory, harmony, arranging, sight singing, and ear training.

At high school level he studied guitar, music theory and harmony; as well as playing in the marching and school band.

I don't mind the 13 year old kid starting the thread, but some of the comments read, to me at least, to be based solely on personal bias.

Who the Hell cares???

These guys are not doing anything new. Prog started back in the 60's. By the mid 1980's it had all been done. These two very talented musicians are following a tradition. Just as all the drummers before them did. And will do in the future.

But anyway, I don't know what I'm talking about. So let the arguments continue!
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