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Post Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:16 am

just for my own edification here, I'd like to know how many of you who are vocal about your disdain for electronic drums have owned any? If so, was it entry level, or 'flagship' models?

It occured to me that I've got this idea in my head that most people who reject them outright haven't really spent much time with them, other than a brief encounter in a music store or on a friend's kit.

I'm not trying to convert anybody or argue their superiority or anything- I love Acoustic drums too.
I just want to know if I'm way offbase in my estimations about those who hate Edrums so much, and this seems to be the forum where I see the most complaints.

thanks for your input!
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Post Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:49 am

I PERSONALLY HAVE NO ILL FEELING TOWARDS E DRUMS. I DONT LOOK AT THEM AS A THREAT TO ACOUSTIC DRUMS. THEY BOTH HAVE THEIR PLACE IN MUSIC. I AM SEEING MORE AND MORE DRUMMERS MESHING THEM TOGETHER IN THEIR DRUM KITS, AND USING DRUM MACHINES FOR LOOPS AND SEQUENCED STUFF. I HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE PAST 4 YEARS AND HAVE HAD ALOT OF SUCCESS. I THINK THE TRICK IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR DRUM KIT AND ELECTRONICS ARE SIMILAR IN ATTACK, SENSITIVITY, AND VOLUME. IF YOU GET THAT YOU HAVE OPENED YOURSELF UP TO A WHOLE NEW REALM OF CREATIVITY.
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Post Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:58 am

i own e drums and a custom kit. personally i just think that real drums are just never going to be properly captured in a digital way. i love to have a good bash on my e drums but its only a quick fix. e drums are slowly improving but they just dont have that dynamic and accent control like i want it. they poorly capture things like upstrokes. it will never take over acoustic drums. i will make a seperate subject start for this unless someones beats me to it but one thing i would use digitally properly is a ZENDRUM. has anyone ever heard em one. i have heard them being played n they even get the dynamics in the sound of the drums its absolutely amazing sounding. the beuty of it though its its almost like a guitar..... you strap it on you like a guitar n play with your fingers n these little sensative pads all over the body. theyre strategically placed so you can play basic beats with one hand n do whatever else with the other. n it gives the chance for drummers to realise a dream, playing drums standing at the front of the stage n really getting to see that crowd!!!!! i gotta get me one lol!!! :lol:
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Post Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:14 am

ross666dreamcatcher wrote: ZENDRUM. has anyone ever heard em one. i have heard them being played n they even get the dynamics in the sound of the drums its absolutely amazing sounding.


those are cool, but they are only midi controllers, all the sounds are coming from a seperate module- the same modules you'd use with Edrums, you're just controlling them from a different trigger. The Zendrum is just the interface. The sounds any dynamics wouldn't be any different with an Ekit...
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Post Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:59 am

I dont own e drums.
I play acoustic drums.
I was drafted to play bass in a friends band while doing some recording for them. My friend is the drummer. He has a set of Rolands. They are fun to play with, explore the different kits/ sounds.
We used them to record with. In the mixing stage it occured to us that the drum sound just wasnt up to par.
We recorded the drum tracks using my Mapex Orion set.
The difference was night and day.
I am sure with some tweaking of the perameters we could have used the Rolands, but the time issue was an important factor.
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Post Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:40 am

ive played the v-pro kit a lot (i don't own a set as i don't have 6000 to shell out for 'em) but i was impressed at the sound of the drums, which i damn well should be seeing how they cost almost 6 grand. however, i'd never have JUST an ekit, i'd have to have my acoustics too.
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Post Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:19 pm

To me, E drums can be really fun to play with would be great to own. The only problem is that I like to go with traditional/acoustic, especially for gigs, and also E drums can get very expensive. I would love to have an E drumkit because you can just put in headphones and play so no one else really hears, and because all the cool electronic things you can do with em, they can be like multiple drumkits in one.
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Post Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:44 pm

e drums are fun to bash on, but they take the art form out of drumming. theres no heads to tune, differnt wood plys or materials to think about. i think e drums should be left for techno and pop music, they just dont sound the same!
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Post Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:33 am

mattkinel wrote:e drums are fun to bash on, but they take the art form out of drumming. theres no heads to tune, differnt wood plys or materials to think about. i think e drums should be left for techno and pop music, they just dont sound the same!


thanks for your input, Matt-
what would help me here is to know what E-kits you've owned or played that have led you to feel this way. Have you spent much time with any high-end Roland or Ddrum units?



p.s. - I do tune my mesh heads on my E-kit for the sake of feel.
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Post Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:00 am

I'm a little lazy today so I'll just copy and post my viewpoint from a thread I had posted in some time back. I think this is still somewhat relevant because I used to have utter disdain for E-drums:

I used to look at them as nothing more than a poor imitation designed to replace real drums, which they'll never do. With that limited viewpoint I eventually realized I was doing them an injustice and cheating myself out of a lot of fun.

NOW I look at Electronic drums as a different instrument than acoustic drums, sort of like the difference between an acoustic and an electric guitar. I no longer see one type of drum as trying to live up to the other.

If you keep that in mind and find the right application, you can have LOADS of fun with them, especially with a Roland kit.
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Post Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:37 pm

m wrote:It occured to me that I've got this idea in my head that most people who reject them outright haven't really spent much time with them, other than a brief encounter in a music store or on a friend's kit.


You got me there, m!
I have never owned any e-drums, and probably won't either.

Why?

Well, it's like a pianist that doesn't get too excited about the idea of bying a synthersizer, I guess.

I just think drums should be accoustic, and that's the sound I fell in love with in the first place, anyway.

No offence to those who like the e-drums, just old-fashioned stubborn-ness, I guess! 8)
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Post Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:21 pm

I have never owned nor will i ever own e-drums ..they are a poor fake for the real thing,that is not to say they are bad they are just not drumming .the same way canned music is not the same as live performance music .drums have been around for over 10,000 years they are supposed to get to you with their vibrations it is a human thing ...Todays music is lets say striving for perfection with electronics and that is the very thing that makes it not sound real...it is mans imperfection in his playing no matter what the instrument man has to put his soul into it then it is real..just my opinion but i have been playing since 1965..seen it all...
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Post Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:51 am

Mike T wrote:I have never owned nor will i ever own e-drums ..they are a poor fake for the real thing,that is not to say they are bad they are just not drumming .the same way canned music is not the same as live performance music .drums have been around for over 10,000 years they are supposed to get to you with their vibrations it is a human thing ...Todays music is lets say striving for perfection with electronics and that is the very thing that makes it not sound real...it is mans imperfection in his playing no matter what the instrument man has to put his soul into it then it is real..just my opinion but i have been playing since 1965..seen it all...


I am not sure I agree with that view point...it can also be argued that the "trapset" isn't conventional, nor is one person playing percussion, nor is rock & roll. And seriously at one point or another everything musical that's used today wasn't the norm...I mean synthetic drum heads vs. calf skin heads, electric vs. acoustic guitars and so on and so on...I think music sounds over produced simply due to the fact that it is over produced. I recorded with a beautiful 1964 round badge set of Gretsch's not too long ago...and when the engineer got through murdering the sound...they sounded so eq'd & flat that it made no difference what I was playing on...it could have been pots & pans...but that's the sound the session required.

I think that it's drumming if you are playing them like a drumset...the thread author wasn't speaking about drum machines...which I would agree there...they are souless. But I think if you are going through the motions, then it's drumming. Different strokes for different folks I guess...

they can also be a great tool for practice & quiet sessions (such as my life dictates now being a new father & all)...
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Post Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:12 pm

to reply to youre question to me-
i have spent alot of time with the roland edrums, there my favorite. I considerd an edrum for a bit but that idea crashed and burned.

I recently got bit by the vintage bug and now I restore sets and make a lot of money doing it. enough money to fuel my expensive drum buying binges.

I guess I wouldnt consider myself a drummer as much as I would a drum collector and enthusiest. I would never want to be a drummer professionally, my dream would be to be a drum tech or better yet a drum builder, either as a restorer or working for a bigger drum company.

Thats my reasoning against e drums, it takes the art out of the drum making process. Plus whats sexier, a roland set or a ludwig set? Ludwig my far. I have to admit, I could be turned on by a set if it was a Camco in a natural or dark wood stained finsh. Drums, cars, and girls, all are fun expensive and beautiful!
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Post Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:20 pm

although i dont own a set of e-drums i can appreciate their value in modern and not so modern music....i love when people put e-drums in with their acoustic set.....neil peart being one of many who does it and sounds stupendous. its just more voices to convey. the only thing i cant agree on is e-cymbals.if i were to purchase an e-drum i would keep my acoustic cymbals....i have yet to hear a good e-cymbal but i could be wrong.....the only thing they're good for in my opinion is not breaking sticks but whats the fun in that?