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Post Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:24 pm

hey everyone i wanted to know if theres any way to really practice the one handed drum roll i know its possible lots of pro drummers do it, thomas lang and etc.
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Post Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:24 pm

the good old one handed roll. the easiest way is the ol bounce the stick off the rim. you can go on youtube.com and find a million videos about this. some metal heads out there are also using this and calling it a "gravity blast" (im not a metal drummer so forgive me if thats incorrect but i've heard it called that a gazillion times) its really simple and takes about 4 seconds to learn. its the way that Johnny rabb uses most of the time. if you wanna bust your butt and learn a "true one handed roll" work on the Open close (also called pinch release, push pull, goes by a lot of differant names.) you can find videos on this on youtube.com too i've been using this for year, mainly in drum solos, but if you cant find what your looking for online feel free to message me and i'll try to give you the most detailed help i can
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Post Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:41 pm

yeah gravity blast.. rim roll... hehe I wonder if these grind drummers would be using it if it was known in metal as the "Rim Roll".
it is ultra simple, just watch a few vids then get on your snare and with a bit of finger control you'll have it in ten minutes... thats how I learnt it.

Youtube and I think there was a video by derik pope on these techniques on drummerworld.com some good tutorial vids there actually.
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Post Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:49 pm

Yeah, it's also called freehand technique. I believe that's what Johnny Rabb calls it.
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Post Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:16 am

I've never bothered to learn this technique.
All though it's a fazinating gimmick, I think it's more about showing off and showmanship, than a skill you can naturally incorporate in your playing (unless you endorse drum-solos, that is!)

Anyway; Of all those I've seen doing it, I will say John Blackwell and Ian Paice are quite clever. I beleve both have made drum-dvd's that's quite informative, regarding how to do this.

But like I started with; About as useful as drumstick-twirling, as far as I'm concerned.

Entertaining? Oh yeah.
But in terms of developing your drumming abillitiies? Absolutely not! :wink:
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Post Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:18 am

necrovore wrote:I wonder if these grind drummers would be using it if it was known in metal as the "Rim Roll".


Easy; They would call it a GRim Roll! :P
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Post Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:24 am

Aaahah that brilliant man, as for the showmanship thing, yeah absolutely, thats why I learnt it, was listening to local metallers raving on about this amazing technique, thought i'd try it out as I was curious and wanted to be able to say "yeah I can do it" hehe, learnt it and now I say "Yeah, its easy, its an illusion/trick its really nothing special". I cant understand why you'd use it in a metal song as it toally lacks in power, possibly usable as a fill but nothing more in my opinion.
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Post Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:23 am

Rim rolls are also used heavily in Rudimental Tenor Drumming. Mike Hodges won the 2003 PASIC College Tenor Individual competition with that roll used, along with some of the finest technique ever seen.

There is also a one-handed Traditional Grip roll called a Circus Roll. Jazzers use it a lot, as do Circus musicians, hence the name. If anyone is interested, I could post a tutorial in the Technique section.

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Post Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:14 am

Animal wrote:I've never bothered to learn this technique.
All though it's a fazinating gimmick, I think it's more about showing off and showmanship, than a skill you can naturally incorporate in your playing (unless you endorse drum-solos, that is!)

Anyway; Of all those I've seen doing it, I will say John Blackwell and Ian Paice are quite clever. I beleve both have made drum-dvd's that's quite informative, regarding how to do this.

But like I started with; About as useful as drumstick-twirling, as far as I'm concerned.

Entertaining? Oh yeah.
But in terms of developing your drumming abillitiies? Absolutely not! :wink:


I'm so glad you made this post. I couldn't agree more. About as useful as stick twirling.

I was curious, so I learned the technique of the Rim roll from a video I saw, and it really is a simple concept to learn, but I know I'll never use it. I haven't bothered practicing it to get it down as second nature. I'd rather spend more time working on my neglected left foot.
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Post Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:15 am

Post a tutorial in the lessons section please.
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Post Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:51 am

Shalaq wrote:Post a tutorial in the lessons section please.


Hi Shalaq. I posted a tutorial for the "rim roll" version of the one handed roll. I have never really written instruction down on paper, so I apologize if it is not very helpful, but I am always more than happy to give it a try. :)
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Post Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:45 am

necrovore wrote:Aaahah that brilliant man, as for the showmanship thing, yeah absolutely, thats why I learnt it, was listening to local metallers raving on about this amazing technique, thought i'd try it out as I was curious and wanted to be able to say "yeah I can do it" hehe, learnt it and now I say "Yeah, its easy, its an illusion/trick its really nothing special". I cant understand why you'd use it in a metal song as it toally lacks in power, possibly usable as a fill but nothing more in my opinion.


Generally I find that to be true, the power thing. But there are some metal guys such as Lord Marco that have a lot of power behind it.
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Post Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:47 am

i just recently perfected the one handed roll that jojo mayer talks about on drummerworld.com. i agree that in my style of playing, there really isn't anywhere to incorporate it around my drumset. i just like being able to show it off to friends and other drummers in my drum ensemble at college. they ask "how do ya do it?" i show them the simple technique and now we all have like one handed drum roll battles...it pretty funny! as far as being able to revolve it around the kit, i've seen a video (i can't remember what drummer) but he actually uses this technique for latin and big band grooves which looked really interesting. but yea...and i haven't heard of the blastroll or whatever, so i think i'll check that out just to see! great topic by the way!
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Post Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:08 am

I've never noticed it until I saw a rockabilly show one night in St. Louis. The drummer using it that night was really smooth in general and when he busted out the roll it really got everyone. It was durring a short drum solo (i'm more of a groove drummer, not big on solos, I like total drum breakdowns where the band picks up percussion and joins in), and in this case it worked. He didn't over do it though...maybee ten seconds while the other had did some interesting fills as well. Anyway, I don't use the "trick" currently, but it was used tastefully the one time I saw it live.
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Post Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:29 pm

Oh yeah don't get me wrong I think it is pretty snazzy, and I just haven't found a use for it. If I did I would probably work on it to get it down.

I'm sure it's great for soloing and whatnot. I really like one solo that Steve Smith does called "Independence/Interdependence" on his Drumset Technique DVD where he plays melodic rhythms around his toms with his right hand as he keeps a steady Moeller technique going on his snare drum with his left hand with the snares turned off. He then shifts the perspective of the time as he incorporates other parts of his kit into his solo, still keeping the Moeller going as a constant time reference.

I've wondered if a similar solo would be as interesting using a one handed double stroke on the snare rather than a Moeller, but I'm not at that level of playing so I don't really know.
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