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Post Sun Oct 15, 2006 9:41 am

O.K Guys I have been here long enough to know that some of you are full of knowledge and have played for quite some time. I am seeking some honest and real opinions on a buisness I have just opened. The company is called X Factor Drums. Just so you know this is not a advertisment , it is meant to be a focus group so I improve and get real feedback from real drummers other than myself and current customers. What I am offering is basically full size E-drum set ups. By the way I dont just want opinions from all the guys playing E-Drums I want the opinions from the acoustic players as well. As some of you know I have been playing for about 17 years. The last 4 years I have been playing strickly E-Drums. I have owned some high end kits including roland Td-8-Td-10 as well as the top of the line Hart dynamics kits. After playing these kits for a few years I made a list of things I would like to change. This eventually lead me to creating my own company that offers E-drum kits with the things I felt needed to be addressed. The first thing I hated about E-drums is the fact they look like sh@$. I love the way an acoustuc kit looks and feels when you are behind it. So this is the first thing I changed. I also wanted to be able to have the same choices I would get if I ordered a custom acoustic set. By this I mean color, drum sizes and hardware choices ect.... So Thats what I offer. By the way alot of people say that e-drums are portable beacuse of their size. I agree but I became a drummer knowing that it would not be easy to move. Lets face it if I wanted to play a insturment that was easy to move I would play a guitar or a harmonic. In any event I would deffinatly have chosen an e-kit that looked identical to an acoustic kit if one where available at the time I purchased.
i had also noticed a small problem in the fact that the triggers where hard mounted to the drum and because of this when I hit the shell or stand the drum was mounted on, it would trigger the drumm (or drums) that where on it. So I came up with a suspened triggering system(pat. pending) that basically addressed this issue you can now hit the shell or stand fairly hard without this ever being an issue. So I need your feedback. Let me know what you think. I would like to know any idea's you may have to improve my kits. Thank you very much for your time. Cheers.
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Post Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:33 am

Do you make your own modules? If so, try to work on cymbal samples.


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Post Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:34 am

Hey there, this new company of yours sounds quite interesting, i like it. You say u want some opinions about making your e-drums look better? Unfortunatly i havn't got much knowledge about E-drums, since i am a stricktly acoustic drum user, but any ideas that come to mind, i will be sure to let you know of them okay...good luck

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Post Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:53 am

Xfactor wrote:O.K Guys I have been here long enough to know that some of you are full of knowledge and have played for quite some time. I am seeking some honest and real opinions on a buisness I have just opened. The company is called X Factor Drums. Just so you know this is not a advertisment , it is meant to be a focus group so I improve and get real feedback from real drummers other than myself and current customers. What I am offering is basically full size E-drum set ups. By the way I dont just want opinions from all the guys playing E-Drums I want the opinions from the acoustic players as well. As some of you know I have been playing for about 17 years. The last 4 years I have been playing strickly E-Drums. I have owned some high end kits including roland Td-8-Td-10 as well as the top of the line Hart dynamics kits. After playing these kits for a few years I made a list of things I would like to change. This eventually lead me to creating my own company that offers E-drum kits with the things I felt needed to be addressed. The first thing I hated about E-drums is the fact they look like sh@$. I love the way an acoustuc kit looks and feels when you are behind it. So this is the first thing I changed. I also wanted to be able to have the same choices I would get if I ordered a custom acoustic set. By this I mean color, drum sizes and hardware choices ect.... So Thats what I offer. By the way alot of people say that e-drums are portable beacuse of their size. I agree but I became a drummer knowing that it would not be easy to move. Lets face it if I wanted to play a insturment that was easy to move I would play a guitar or a harmonic. In any event I would deffinatly have chosen an e-kit that looked identical to an acoustic kit if one where available at the time I purchased.
i had also noticed a small problem in the fact that the triggers where hard mounted to the drum and because of this when I hit the shell or stand the drum was mounted on, it would trigger the drumm (or drums) that where on it. So I came up with a suspened triggering system(pat. pending) that basically addressed this issue you can now hit the shell or stand fairly hard without this ever being an issue. So I need your feedback. Let me know what you think. I would like to know any idea's you may have to improve my kits. Thank you very much for your time. Cheers.


Would it be possible for you to itemise your list of questions you want answered? I've read this post a few times and remain confused.
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Post Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:14 pm

http://www.drumsmylife.com/album_page.php?pic_id=34
This is what I'd like my E-kit to look like. Nice finish, biggest deph being 7 inches, small kit. Personally I think that getting electronic drums that look like acoustic drums is not cool. Getting an E-kit that looks modern is better. One advice I could give you is this- make those kits look like manhatan style kits, or the Manu Katche kit- they look sweet.
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Post Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:52 pm

loop wrote:Do you make your own modules? If so, try to work on cymbal samples.


PS - good luck with your business!


Thanks for the input. I do not currently make e-cymbals but I considering offering my own. I currently offer smart tirigger cymblas with my kit because I find them extremely accurate as far as playabliity. A fro module I offer Alesis and Roland modules..to manufacture my own and still compete with the huge players would be impossible at this point. Thanks again
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Post Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:54 pm

Scott_Hurford wrote:Hey there, this new company of yours sounds quite interesting, i like it. You say u want some opinions about making your e-drums look better? Unfortunatly i havn't got much knowledge about E-drums, since i am a stricktly acoustic drum user, but any ideas that come to mind, i will be sure to let you know of them okay...good luck

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Hey Scott,Thanks very much and dont hesitate to post ideas as they come to you. Cheers
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Post Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:07 pm

Would it be possible for you to itemise your list of questions you want answered? I've read this post a few times and remain confused.[/quote]


Sure sorry for the conffusion. Her aare some basic question I am hoping to get answered.
1. If you played E-drums would you like the ability to customize them in the same manner as you would and acoustic kit?
2. Do you feel the look of an acoustic kit is more appealing than the look of current E-Drum kits?
3. Would you consider the look for the current E-Drum kits a draw back to your choice to purchase(if you were consdiering to do so)?
4. If you have ever played and e-drum kit did it was unfamiliar or uncomfortable when you sat behind it?
5. Do you feel more comfortable behind an acoustic kit than and e-drum kit?
6.What do you think of a floating e-drum trigger that would eliminate the triggering you get when the rack, drum shell or drum stand is struck?
What are your main reassons you would NOT buy an e-drum kit?
7.What are your main reassons you WOULD buy an e-drum kit?
8.What things would you change to the current market e-drum kits if you could?

Thats the bulk of the questions i wouls like answered. But please feel free to openly coment on any thing you feel is related. thank you
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Post Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:13 pm

Shalaq wrote:http://www.drumsmylife.com/album_page.php?pic_id=34
This is what I'd like my E-kit to look like. Nice finish, biggest deph being 7 inches, small kit. Personally I think that getting electronic drums that look like acoustic drums is not cool. Getting an E-kit that looks modern is better. One advice I could give you is this- make those kits look like manhatan style kits, or the Manu Katche kit- they look sweet.



Gottcha you seem to like the small shell sizes. So Maybe I should offer a 5" deep shell package as an option? Thanks.
Just one question...why do you feel it is "not cool" to make e-drums look like acoustic kits? Do you like the look of acoustic kits?Thanks again
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Post Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:21 pm

the main thing I'd be curious about is the trigger design and reliability.
Folks have been converting A's into E-kits for quite a while now, it is definitely a viable market.

Better-looking Edrums would be great.
What would really sell me on it would be the functionality- the implementation of the triggers and if they'd be able to take advantage of all the features of modern modules.

Would definitely be interested in hearing more.
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Post Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:57 pm

m wrote:the main thing I'd be curious about is the trigger design and reliability.
Folks have been converting A's into E-kits for quite a while now, it is definitely a viable market.

Better-looking Edrums would be great.
What would really sell me on it would be the functionality- the implementation of the triggers and if they'd be able to take advantage of all the features of modern modules.

Would definitely be interested in hearing more.


Great feedback. So far the triggers have held up very well. I did have some issue wih preloading the trigger enough to stop any bounce from a heavy hitter but that has now been address. I have used a Td-8, Td,10 Td-12 and currently a Td20 with these triggers and all the features work well from including things like mask,scan time,sensitivity ect..ect... I am alwasy looking for new ways to improve my product so this forum is really giving ne some great ideas. Thanks again for your feed back.
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Post Sun Oct 15, 2006 9:44 pm

I love the looks of an acoustic drum kit. But that's the point- an E- kit should look cool, but still like an E-kit.
BTW I have all drum sizes from 8 to 18 :) and currently use 22 kick, 12 16 18 toms.
I like all drums regardless of size.
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Post Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:16 am

Shalaq wrote:I love the looks of an acoustic drum kit. But that's the point- an E- kit should look cool, but still like an E-kit.
BTW I have all drum sizes from 8 to 18 :) and currently use 22 kick, 12 16 18 toms.
I like all drums regardless of size.


Gottcha thanks for the input.
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Post Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:46 am

I think that small size of an E-kit is one of its main advantages. Think about that :)
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Post Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:14 am

Xfactor wrote:Would it be possible for you to itemise your list of questions you want answered? I've read this post a few times and remain confused.



Sure sorry for the conffusion. Her aare some basic question I am hoping to get answered.
1. If you played E-drums would you like the ability to customize them in the same manner as you would and acoustic kit?
2. Do you feel the look of an acoustic kit is more appealing than the look of current E-Drum kits?
3. Would you consider the look for the current E-Drum kits a draw back to your choice to purchase(if you were consdiering to do so)?
4. If you have ever played and e-drum kit did it was unfamiliar or uncomfortable when you sat behind it?
5. Do you feel more comfortable behind an acoustic kit than and e-drum kit?
6.What do you think of a floating e-drum trigger that would eliminate the triggering you get when the rack, drum shell or drum stand is struck?
What are your main reassons you would NOT buy an e-drum kit?
7.What are your main reassons you WOULD buy an e-drum kit?
8.What things would you change to the current market e-drum kits if you could?

Thats the bulk of the questions i wouls like answered. But please feel free to openly coment on any thing you feel is related. thank you[/quote]

1, a: Possibly. I might like them customised. But unless they were seriously ugly I doubt I'd care all that much.

2, a: Yes, I do prefer the look of accoustic drums, but I don't like electronic drums that look like accoustic drums.

3, a: My main concern is sound. My choice would depend upon what each outfit offered me in the sound choices. As well as being hard wearing and durable.

4, a: Not really. They feel like practice kits.

5, a: No. They feel the same to me.

6, a: That sounds like a good idea.

7, a: Sound choices to either add to a drum set or percussion set. I'd like to be able to sample sounds and add them to it.

8, a: Haven't thought about it.

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