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Post Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:03 am

I was recently to a Dio-concert in my hometown Hamar, Norway.
(Simon Wright were using my drums! 8) )

My question is;

Beside's the "ordinary" drumkit (2 SNARE DRUMS, 2 BASS DRUMS, 8", 10", 12", 14" TOMS, PLUS 16" AND 18" FLOOR-TOMS), he used 3 or 4 drums that were placed above the 16" and 18" floor-toms?

They were really high pitched, and had defined notes.
I think he only used them, during his drum solo.

Now I wonder; What kind of drums are they?

They looked like they were around 12-14 inches, and they all seemed to be alike in size.

The depth of the "drum" was probably around 2-3 inches.

The sound reminded a bit of the roto-toms, but it definately wasn't roto-toms.

Anyone in here who knows what kind of drums they are?
(They can also be spotted on the "Holy Diver Live" dvd)
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Post Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:45 am

Maybe... timbales?

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Post Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:52 am

loop wrote:Maybe... timbales?


No, I know a timbale when I see one! 8)

They are much smaller in depth, I'd say around 2-3 inches deep.
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Post Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:59 pm

I'm thinking either Roto Toms or Timp-Toms.
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Post Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:19 am

screamkevin wrote:I'm thinking either Roto Toms or Timp-Toms.



Thanks for the ti(m)p!

But "Timp-Toms"? Never 'eard of it! (*Google*...)

Ah, the one's their using in American marching bands! :D

It could be it, but do they come in sizes that are not deep in inches? (Pardon my terrible English! :oops: ).

I think it could be it, but I'm quite sure the drums I saw were maximum 3 inches deep, maby just 2 inches deep.
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Post Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:43 am

Yeah, I think this might be on to something;

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I'm fairly sure there was no bottom rim on the drums, but the drum in front of the picture is, besides this, very similar.
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Post Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:01 am

Here we are! :D
I'm positively sure these are the ones!

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Still, I would be very pleased if someone could be helpful, providing information about the Timp-toms:

Prizes, sizes (width and depth), sound and tone quality, experiences using it on a regular kit, etc.

Last but not least;
I would still appreciate if someone could positively identify these drums as the ones that Simon Wright of Dio uses. Preferably, also what sizes he uses.

Thanks alot screamkevin, for puttin' me on the track! :D
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Post Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:55 am

I think they're called piccolo toms(?) Am I right? :)
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Post Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:20 am

loop wrote:I think they're called picollo toms(?) Am I right? :)


Yeah! :D

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I was "googleing" some more, and you're absolutely right.

THIS is the ones I was looking for! :D

Thanks for the tip. I am still interested in feedback, regarding prizes, sizes, tone quality, etc.

It seems like DW are the only manufactorer of the piccolo tom.
Correct? (It makes sense, as I think mr Wright endorses DW).

The only thing I'm not sure about, is they seem to be made exclusively by chrome steel, and I'm fairly sure the ones I saw were wood. (Allthough it may hav been black finish on chrome steel).
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Post Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:49 am

More information on the piccolo-toms:

From my "investigation" on the internet, it seems that DW are exclusive manufacturer of the piccolo-toms.

They are all 2" deep, and comes in diameters of 8", 10" and 12".
Retail prize seems to be $ 139, $ 149 and $ 159.

Please! Is there ANYONE at all on the forum that have tried out those piccolo-toms? Please give feedback on your experiences with them! :idea:

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Post Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:55 am

Just some additional information:

You can get the piccol-toms at www.musiciansfriend.com for as low as $ 85 - $ 100, it seems. :D
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Post Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:34 pm

I have 2 of those.
I believe they did manufacture some wooden-shelled models, but they were rare. I've seen a few on ebay.

I like mine. I pair them up with 2 octobans, on either side of my kit.
you can see the Pic toms below the floor toms; they have the white-striped heads.

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we do a lot of middle-eastern flavored rock and these fit really well in that style, I think. They're a little 'boingy,' but you could temper that with muting I'm sure. Definitely sound more like Roto-toms than Octobans, but there's a bit more tonality to them than a typical roto, I guess.

Any specific questions about them? I'll do my best to help.
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Post Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:45 am

m wrote:I have 2 of those.
I believe they did manufacture some wooden-shelled models, but they were rare. I've seen a few on ebay.

I like mine. I pair them up with 2 octobans, on either side of my kit.
you can see the Pic toms below the floor toms; they have the white-striped heads.

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we do a lot of middle-eastern flavored rock and these fit really well in that style, I think. They're a little 'boingy,' but you could temper that with muting I'm sure. Definitely sound more like Roto-toms than Octobans, but there's a bit more tonality to them than a typical roto, I guess.

Any specific questions about them? I'll do my best to help.
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Thanks a lot, m!

I really appreciate your feedback on this topic.

That was really helpful! :D

Can I take it that the piccolo-toms sounds like something between:
Roto-toms, Timbales, Octobans and an Egyptian Derbuka, then?! :wink:

I must say that I would really like to buy those drums.

How stable are they, tuning-wise?
How do you "hook them up"? (Different possibilities with stands, clamps, and so forth)
Also, can you tell me some more, regarding the possibility for the existence of wood types too?
Do you have any links or other information.
(The picture I enclosed in post #5 (?) in this topic, shows some wooden ones, but from the picture it seems that their depth/height is more than 2" - 2,5" inches (the messures I've seen on the piccolo-toms from DW).

(Off topic; Do you guys say "depth" or "height" to describe the messure of a drum, besides the diameter? :? )

Anyway, you have a real nice kit! Great, and original set up!
What's the name of your band? Have you recorded any CDs.
I love the musical flavour of the middle east myself! :D
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Post Wed Oct 11, 2006 3:35 am

Additional question, m;

I saw a drum om "www.shopping.msn.com" that reads
"Pearl 3x13 inch Brass Timbale with Tom Mount"

Is this Brass Timbale the same, soundwise as the piccolo tom, or is it different? This one is 3" x 13", whilst the piccolo-toms I've seen are 2" x 8", (or) 10", (or) 12".

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Also, I found a brand called "Hart", and they mak something they call the "Pro-tom". Looks similar too.

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Are they in fact all the same?
Pearl "Brass Timbale"
Hart "Pro-tom" (EDIT! These are electronic drums, right?)
Drum Workshop "Piccolo-tom"

Your piccolo-toms, are they DW, or a different brand?
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Post Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:32 am

Animal wrote:Can I take it that the piccolo-toms sounds like something between:
Roto-toms, Timbales, Octobans and an Egyptian Derbuka, then?!

How stable are they, tuning-wise?
How do you "hook them up"? (Different possibilities with stands, clamps, and so forth)
Also, can you tell me some more, regarding the possibility for the existence of wood types too?

Anyway, you have a real nice kit! Great, and original set up!
What's the name of your band? Have you recorded any CDs.
I love the musical flavour of the middle east myself! :D


something like that, yes. Closest resemblance would be rotos; they're less 'metallic' sounding than timbales, and lack the hollow/tubular sound of octos.

Very stable, tuning-wise. I've had mine for more than 8 months, and they haven't slipped at all.

They have a standard DW mount, as shown in the picture you posted. So you could mount them anywhere you could put a tom-holder with that size rod. Because of their size and depth, they're really easy to stick just about anywhere.

thanks for the comments on the kit, I appreciate it! My band is linked in my signature- (I think the musicplayer is glitching on that page right now though- but the one on our backup account works; http://www.myspace.com/analogmissionary2 )
or there's the regular old homepage: http://www.analogmissionary.com
we do have a couple albums, but they don't have any of the middle-eastern tunes, we just got into that recently- it'll be on the upcoming album.

Come to think of it, I do have a prepro track we're working on that features the pic tom in it, if you'd like to hear it.