China placement- normal or upside-down?

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Post Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:11 am

I noticed Ginger Baker were playing Bells up on his china, during the Cream Royal Albert Hall concerts.
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Post Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:08 am

I play my china on the right side and inverted ( bell down ). One thing that I have found over time is that if you use a spring mount ( I use aquarian ) you extend the life of the cymbal. I am a heavy hitter and have had my new china for almost 2 years with no problems using them. The springs are only around $8...so the way I see it is if you can save a 2-3 hundred dollar cymbal for $8 ...WHY NOT! By the way I play Zildjian A's and Z customs.
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Post Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:00 am

One would think that playing with your bell side up would cause more stick-breaking than anything else.

Some Jazz drummers play with their chinas bell up because of the sound they get, most that I know of dont use it like a Rock or Metal drummer would use a china.
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Post Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:12 pm

I switch, depends what I feel like that day. Bells-down does get a more fast, punchy attack, more like an accent note. Bells-up is much more musical, and acts really as a cymbal. It is not as punchy as bells-down, but more mellow and dark in my opinion.

Of course, Im using an HHX, which are kind of dark to begin with.

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Post Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:14 am

I play my Chinese bell down. It's the Paragon 19" with the larger flange, so I can really get a good sound by rocking the stick off of the lip with a glancing blow. There's hardly any shock from the impact, so I'm hoping that it will never break this way.
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Post Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:27 am

I play my china upside down, normal way can damage your sticks in the position I usually have it .

Unless youre playing jazz using it as a swish ala Bernard Purdie.
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Post Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:06 pm

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Post Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:49 pm

sound issues my friends....bell down=metal,rock,etc but when the bell is up=funk,jazz, fusion...cuz of the sound...usually u want a thin affects sound for funk and all that u really dont want it to stick out too much
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Post Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:20 am

screamkevin wrote:
druminzeetobaccofade wrote:I have two chinas in my set up and both of them are placed upside down, or bell side down and cranked down tight with some extra felts. I think that by doing this, it gives the cymbals a crushing attack with quicker shut off, and exposes the cymbal edge to get a better sticking approach to the cymbal, hope that helped.


You should really invest in some cymbal springs and stop cranking the chinas down. They need room to move with the striking action of you hitting the cymbal, or you'll crack it. One of the disadvantages of Wuhan and Saluda is that the cymbal bell is a cylinder, so you really can't put a cymbal spring on it.


In all actuality, you can put a cymbal spring on them, they are just a bitch to get off if you tighten them down too far. I find that if you keep a pair of needle nose pliers on you ( or near your kit ) you can get the top part of the holder off with ease.
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Post Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:42 am

I've always play'em bell down,same height as a crash...just a little more angle so my stick hits the curve towards the bell.I get a nice bright craaaa out of it,......but then again I use Sabian AAXtreme chinese chinas anyway. :roll:
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Post Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:51 am

I think for most rock and metal drummers, the inverted or "bell down" position has pretty become the accepted normal whereas with jazz and other style drummers the "bell up" position is more common. I think to clarify we should all start referring to the "bell down" as being mounted "china style" while having the "bell up" mounting referred to as "swish style." That'd make it easier for me to sort it out, anyway. As for springs on Wuhans, Saluda, and others that have the "cylindrical" bell, it makes sense to keep a pair of needle nose pliers and other minimal tools (allen wrench set for pedal adjustments, multi-bit screwdriver if your snare butt plate uses phillips or straight head screws to hold the snare wires, pliers, etc.) in your stickbag along side your drum key. Just my humble opinion.
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Post Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:02 am

i agree.. my chinas are bell-down all the time... the only time id position a china bell-up is if im using it as a ride... like bernard purdie
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Post Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:19 pm

play bell down or "china style" I do this because I have my china above my ride angle somewhere between 45-50 degrees and play it in three seperate areas. I play ride bell patterns in the very center (the underside of the bell) which gives it a very unique sound great for both mellow and aggressive moods, I use the outer part of the cymbal (where it curves opposite to the inside of the cymbal) similarly to a splash and use the part where it bends so that it will act as a very fast crash. The only reason I don't place my china bell-up is that I use it like a crash a lot and it doesn't sound very good in that position when I hit it and the ability to hit the outer most part is almost completely gone which I use even more.
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Post Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:19 pm

hey guys is it true that if u play bell up that it is more likely for your china to crack?
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Post Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:48 pm

Bell down...or the way that doesn't make it look like a chineese person's hat.

Qbs wrote:isn't the cymbal more likely to crack when it's positioned bell-up?


Probably, but $200 says I can break it bell up or bell down.
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