Sets that you were disappointed with.

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Post Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:52 am

Hack_and_Slash wrote:I play metal and hard rock. The only real problem I have with the stage custom is that the toms sound kind of weak. I tune my batter heads pretty low and my resonant heads pretty high. Not so high it chokes the drum but you probably know what I mean. It gives me that nice low punchy noise but I just feel like I need more volume and just a little more resonance. I was thinking birch absolute or oak custom. I never actually played the oak custom but I played the birch and it was the best set I've ever heard. I'm wondering if the oak custom would be better.


I used to play metal, now hardrock.
IMO, the oak custom sounds a little bit more fit for the genre we play.
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ratfinkdrummer wrote:Pearl Export: every damn club in L.A. used to have these for a backline. They don't stay in tune, they don't stay put and they just don't sound good. DW: I suppose they're decent drums, but waaaaay overpriced and overrated compared to the competition.


DAMN!!!
Ok yeah mabye they dont really stay in tune for to long, but they move?? hell no!!
any Pearl drum kit or most but defently the Export are a solid drum kit, mabye not the best for money and kinda over priced, but they arnt going to move a inch.
and yeah DW WAYYYYY!!!!!!!!!! over prcied, but sound like a drum should sound, keeps its tuneing, and looks to die for.

A drum kit that i really didnt like was the Mapex M seires, they just dont do it for me, sound kinda poor live and dont really record to well, and yeah iv kinda try'd every headon them.. but for the same money you can buy a Premier Artsist Maple, and my god, and drum kit you will be set for life. records really well, and sounds awesome on stage. and the Birch artist kit, is also a very nice kit to play.
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Post Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:52 am

anavrinIV wrote:wow...no one likes yammies. i havent played many yamahas but they make one of my favorite snares and one of the best sounding kits ive played, the birch custom absolute. i still dont like dws though.


I agree! I thought I'd have loved a birch custom absolute but went with the cheaper, "semi-pro" Gretsch Catalina Birch as I was blown away by its sound. And I still am! & After finally playing the Yamaha absolute I'm glad I went the Gretsch route & would do it again! :D They compliment my Sabian HHXs sonically quite well.
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Post Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:18 am

SGarrett wrote:The only drums that have disappointed me are super cheap pieces of crap and otherwise good drums that are tuned poorly and/or have someone behind them who can't make them sing.


And I will add, "Amen"...To SG's comment...(And we don't even like each other...lol)
ALL drums with good bearing edges, good heads, and tuned specifically to the ears of the "end user" is a great drum..."Logos aside"...
However, strange thing is...Good bearing edges are in actuality "less" forgiving to uneven tuning...
The drum should not be judged by the tuner and/or player...Or especially the heads...
Not to mention when they spike the mics only to be bussing a signal to a stoned/tone-deaf/perhaps drunk sound engineer who is working for the "other band" on the bill...
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Post Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:28 pm

SGarrett wrote:
ThePloughman wrote:I could well answer everything that seems to be a problem to Garret, but why bother. The person who had the problem in all of this was you. Only you.

Low end drums are crap.... we agree.
PDP isnt DW Collectors....... we agree.
The distinction is often lost..... we agree.
The DW drums that were being dissed early on in the thread, werent DW at all, but PDP..... that is well established, I re read the posts. Nothing I said was out of line, or personally directed to anyone in anyway. I did not attack anyones choice of drums, accessories, or playing ability. I called no names.

What I said before I will say again, if you cant make a 4 to 6 thousand dollar set of drums sound good real soon after they leave the box, the problems arent heads. Its the guy holding the key.

Furthermore, I seriously doubt that you as a moderator would be as tolerant of your posts had they been made by anyone else. Maybe I am wrong there, if so I apologize.

However, nothing I have posted anywhere on any thread in the time Ive been here has been with an aire of superiority.

Furthermore, I see no reason to turn this thread into a one up game of insults.

Merry Christmas to all.


I'm not insulting you, I'm being honest with you. Would I be as tolerant of my posts if someone else made them? Yes, I am. I'm not the type of person who needs people to walk on egg shells. I don't beat around the bush about anything. Had you come correct with your information on Pacific we wouldn't be having this discussion. Hate them all you want, just know what the hell you are "blabbering about" while you do. :)

Discussion over.



I made a trip to the local music store today. Checked out two PDP sets, the FS and the EZ. Both are in fact made in china.. both use mysterymeat interior core in the shell ply. Seriously looks like luan. The EZ are basic bottom line Pulse grade crap. The FS isnt much better. You get nicer lugs, nicer mounts, nicer color, but the shell material looks the same on the FS as the EZ.
My information was correct.
Furthermore, I cannot see anyone being anything other than disappointed with drums like this, once theyve sat and handled anything nicer.
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Post Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:15 pm

I was kind of disppointed a my Pulse set, I knew it wasnt going to be great or anything, but it was my first set and I got it all for 200 hundred bucks so I kinda knew that it wasnt going to be a great set. but know that I put alot of money into heads, snare drum, cymbals, and new stands and pedals, it still doesnt have great sound. so I'm looking to buy either a new gretsch or tama kit now.
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Post Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:27 pm

Brian L wrote:I was kind of disppointed a my Pulse set, I knew it wasnt going to be great or anything, but it was my first set and I got it all for 200 hundred bucks so I kinda knew that it wasnt going to be a great set. but know that I put alot of money into heads, snare drum, cymbals, and new stands and pedals, it still doesnt have great sound. so I'm looking to buy either a new gretsch or tama kit now.




Music store this morning had a used Pulse set traded in over Christmas on the floor for 59.00
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Post Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:47 pm

I play yamaha stage custom advantage. I see alot of people aren't happy with them..lol I'm cool with that. I personally can't stand pearl. But hey, we all can't like the same thing. Except playing drums. But to answer the question of the topic. A set I was disappointed with is Mapex VX plasma and anything under that class. And Pearl..I've played MANY of their kits. And some sound amazing. But it's not consistant. They just lack a depth and quality I desire. Now I know I'll probly catch an ember or 2 for playing stage customs...But yamaha knows how to put their drums together. I love them. I'de prefer a Maple Custom but hey, I ain't made of money. Rock out!
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Post Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:14 pm

ThePloughman wrote:I made a trip to the local music store today. Checked out two PDP sets, the FS and the EZ. Both are in fact made in china.. both use mysterymeat interior core in the shell ply. Seriously looks like luan. The EZ are basic bottom line Pulse grade crap. The FS isnt much better. You get nicer lugs, nicer mounts, nicer color, but the shell material looks the same on the FS as the EZ.
My information was correct.
Furthermore, I cannot see anyone being anything other than disappointed with drums like this, once theyve sat and handled anything nicer.


The EZ is nothing more than a $50 Taiwanese kit, just like all of the other $200-for-a-complete-kit kits designed to get everyone into a kit. You'll also notice that nothing else about it is like the rest. They don't even have the same lugs. http://www.pacificdrums.com/ez/ez.htm

The FS, FX, and 805 feature 100% birch shells. http://www.pacificdrums.com/fs/fs.htm The question is, what kind of birch? Is it similar to Philippine Mahogany, which isn't a Mahogany at all?

http://www.pacificdrums.com/artists/roster.html
Let's see. We've got Curt Bisquera, Bryan "Brain" Mantia, Longineu Parsons, José Pasillas, Johnny Rabb, Stephen Perkins , Tony Roster, Jr., Billy Ward, Nissan Stewart, Brooks Wackerman, Zoro, and so forth. Most of those guys are monster players, have been long-time DW endorsers, and are really high profile...one even writes articles for Modern Drummer. I'm positive that none of these guys know what good drums are. You're right, you aren't being a dick. You're nothing more than biased, uneducated, and flat out elitist on this subject. Six years ago I would've agreed with you because the drums really did suck. Now, you couldn't be more incorrect. Love them or hate them, but base your opinion on facts instead of ignorance.
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Post Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:39 pm

Garrett, You really are a fucking idiot. It doesnt matter who is paid to endorse anything, Not a single one of those guys is playing an FS set. Any of them who are....... damn, thats like being on welfare.
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Post Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:25 pm

calling the mod a "fucking idiot"...good idea?

i don't think anyone said those guys were playing FS kits, and on the subject of being paid to endorse a company...i think Bill Ward is at the point in his career where he could pick and choose endorsements.

Saying that, I have never been impressed with the mid-range PDP's, a student of mine got one for christmas and asked me to tune it for him... I asked him to leave it with me overnight and after he had gone i re-cut the bearing edges and replaced the tension rods. Sounded much better afterwards.

I was dissapointed with the Pearl MMX and surprisingly underwhelmed by the TAMA starclassic Birch/Bubbinga

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Post Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:26 pm

ThePloughman wrote:Garrett, You really are a fucking idiot. It doesnt matter who is paid to endorse anything, Not a single one of those guys is playing an FS set. Any of them who are....... damn, thats like being on welfare.


First, I am a moderator on this forum and you will not insult me or any other member like that again. Period.

Second, like I said. I've talked face to face with Chris Lombardi about these drums and many other DW products. Have you? Have your suggestions been put into action at Drum Workshop by the Chief Executive Officer, from that discussion? Has Chris Lombardi or John Good ever known you by name? Has Chris Lombardi ever told you that Drum Workshop would hire you if they had a sales position open?

Third, the only major difference between today's FS/FX and LX is maple or birch. Same lugs, same mounts, and same manufacturing process. If you want a PDP and want birch, you'll get either an FS, FX, or 805. The other differences are finish options and hardware packages. They haven't been the bottom of the barrel for many years. Your "facts" are based on ignorance and personal bias.

Yeah dude, I totally don't have a clue what I'm talking about.

Drop it or your next post will be deleted and this topic locked. Not because you insulted me, but because of your belligerent attitude.
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Post Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:00 pm

I'm a 47 year old man who acts like a child and doesn't know when to stop. That's too bad.
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Post Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:42 am

ThePloughman wrote:I'm a 47 year old man who acts like a child and doesn't know when to stop. That's too bad.


You stopped at 18, we all do.

I happen to have more recently done so.

It's a shame...