Triggering your drumset

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Post Fri Feb 02, 2007 5:33 am

Ok here's the clincher, anyone know of a good dependable trigger to use with vintage hooped snare drums? The ddrum's won't fit it, doesn't look like the roland will either, and the pintech isn't as consistent as i'd like.

Ideas?



Johnfixious- Not sure what you mean by Vintage. You have a pic of your hoop? They DDrum red shots work with my 60's equipment.
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Post Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:15 pm

HEVY KEVY wrote:I was in a country band that played lots of small rooms. We put triggers on my acoustic drum heads, and filled the shells with foam, like from a couch, leaving about 2" of air between the foam and the head. That gave me a real feel and a whisper quiet drumkit.
we could hear peoples conversations from the dance floor! I can't remember what system was used, but I had 5 different drumkit sounds I used. The pads that came with the system were just too hard. Electronic drumming is hard on the wrist.


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Post Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:07 pm

HEVY KEVY wrote: The pads that came with the system were just too hard. Electronic drumming is hard on the wrist.


that's where mesh heads excel. I think they're even better on the wrists than standard drumheads.
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Post Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:21 am

there's nothing better than blending the triggered sound and a good kick mic like an audix d6 for metal i reckon. I use the trigger to get the attack and presence, and the mic for the bottom end and a bit of warmth.
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Post Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:11 pm

triggering is cheating
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Post Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:12 pm

can you trigger practice pads?
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Post Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:28 pm

druming=life wrote:can you trigger practice pads?

yea man, of course, there was a guy early on the forum who said he used a practice pad kit to make an electronic set. all your triggers are doing is picking up the vibrations, so there is no reason why you couldn't trigger a practice pad... hell that's all an electronic pad is.

i've been looking into triggering my kit for quite some time (now it's just a matter of gathering funds) Honestly, i just want to sample my kick into a module so that all my bass drums hits are full and powerful and don't get covered up by resonance (for my double kick work that is) I never liked the fuzziness that came from my kick with whatever mics these asshole soundguys are using down here (i guess this town just wasn't meant for metal!) I NEED A KICK LIKE A FRIGGIN TANK!!!!
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Post Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:42 am

truthkidkyle wrote:triggering is cheating


why do you feel that way?
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Post Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:47 am

m wrote:
truthkidkyle wrote:triggering is cheating


why do you feel that way?


I agree with him in a way, triggering to get a constant volume (e.g. Death metal drummers triggering their kicks), I would consider cheating to a degree.... Although using triggers to create new sounds wouldn't be cheating in my eyes.
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Post Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:32 pm

The Alien Drummer wrote:
Ok here's the clincher, anyone know of a good dependable trigger to use with vintage hooped snare drums? The ddrum's won't fit it, doesn't look like the roland will either, and the pintech isn't as consistent as i'd like.

Ideas?



Johnfixious- Not sure what you mean by Vintage. You have a pic of your hoop? They DDrum red shots work with my 60's equipment.



Sorry it took me a sec to see your response, I'm referring to the Yamaha Wood Hoops for snares, They simply call they "vintage hoops"
They're actually 19ply maple hoops that are much thicker

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sorry for the long link, but thats it, also available on the anton fig signature yamaha snare drum.

Normal triggers just won't fit it quite well enough, i've tried ddrum's, rolands, and pintech triggers, none worked like i need them too, the pintech was inconsistent, and the ddrum and roland don't make models to fit such wide hoops.
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Post Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:37 am

Sounds like you've tried most of the options out there. Also sounds like you know what you're doing. I would just continue to mess with the threshold and sensitivity settings and try to make a pintech type trigger work.
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Post Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:01 am

druming=life wrote:can you trigger practice pads?

Yes
I just use silicone gel to stick the trigger to the pad
Don't use too much in between the trigger and the pad
Just enough to make it stick
Then use the gel on the outsideedges to add to the amount that is holdting it to the pad
The great thing is that you can experiment over and over because silicone gel peels off very easily when it is dry
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Post Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:01 pm

The Alien Drummer wrote:Sounds like you've tried most of the options out there. Also sounds like you know what you're doing. I would just continue to mess with the threshold and sensitivity settings and try to make a pintech type trigger work.



Yeah i've probably made every mistake you can possibly have made in drumming so i've learned a good bit, and i've got some good resources for help too.

From what i can figure, until I can actually design one myself and pitch it to a company I may have to continue doing what you were saying, messing with the sensitivity and such.

But here's a little gem i picked up, for those of you drummers out there that trigger your actual drum heads with those adhesive triggers like the pintech or yamaha's,
Try picking up a set of Promark's "Drum Gum"
It's great for use as muffling because you can use it on the under side of the head, but what i did with my pintech trigger is I stuck the adhesive to the top of a shortened piece of that drum gum, that way it's easy to get it on and off when you change out heads, plus you get a little added dampening, so that when your beefing up your snare or whatever drum, say in a small setting, it will give a better mix of the sound of your original snare and your snare sound because its not so overbearing.
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Post Sat May 12, 2007 10:25 am

well after reading this i want to go get some triggers! i do alot of single pedal bass flourishes and rolls, so it might be a good option. i would proably trigger my 8"x7" (first) tom, and my 14"x14" (last) floor tom, and my kick.... 2 questions:::::


1-- My bassdrum sounds like a cannon. if i trigger, do i have to use the module's bass drum samples, or can i keep my bass drum's sound and just enhance the sensitivity/threshhold so its more pronouced?

2-- triggers are around $20? i thing i might get dome ddrum triggers.... but how much are the modules? my church uses a roland TD-6 kit that is crap, but being poor, i could see if theyll let me use that when we get the new kit (a roland TD-20S). if that doesnt work out, how much are the modules?
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Post Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:21 am

I don'T trigger my drum but I have the intention to do it with alesis Trigger iO www.alesis.com