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Post Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:26 pm

Alcyon wrote:To play quickly and in time, get a metronome and play triplets (almost 100% of metal songs have triplet beats, not full 4 beats) with your feet, highhat on the first beat of the first triplet, then highhat and snare on the first beat of the second, and so on forever.

Everytime you get really comfortable with one speed (comfortable enough to play that speed locked in without the metronome) then jack up the speed by 25 bpm or something (whatever works for you).

Make sure you have everything locked in though, your feet should be solidly in the same position on the pedals, not flying everywhere, and you should be really solid, no mistakes, before you jack up the speed.

Only way really to increase your speed.



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there are alot of metal songs with triplet beats, but theyre are just as many with straight 4/4 double bass beats. so definately pactice both. and as for making sure your feet dont move around on the footboards thats just not true. sometimes when im playing my feet are all over the footboard using a technique very similar to tim yeung. watch this video http://youtube.com/watch?v=sMOj9tHdhhY
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Post Fri May 11, 2007 5:16 pm

Hey guys, I'm Daniel. I'm new to the forum.

Anyways, I would recommend switching to axis long board pedals and learning how to play heel up efficiently. proper technique.

I play on DW 9000 for the funk, rock, and jazz stuff. But for metal and really fast double bass, axis just goes the fastest and is the most consistent, and easiest pedal for me to play on.
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Post Fri May 18, 2007 10:49 pm

i kind of do both, and its weird b/c ppl always give me crap but actually, in some cases I was better than those guys. I have my heals on the bass drum pedals the whole time and don't lift my legs at all. But like if I play 'st.anger' i lift my leg. I'm not nearly as fast, but like the little 'solo' in Surfacing - Slipknot. I can keep up with that. But I'm learning
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Post Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:20 pm

when i started i wasn't really good becuase my right leg was stronger then my left leg :( but then every day for about 3 months i played with my left foot only and i but a wight on it when i played so it helped me now im really good a double bass
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Post Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:18 pm

DO NOT use leg. use ankle. that is how these crazy death metal guys get so fast. dont pound the crap out of your pedals. not necessary. tune the drum to a point where its loud. maybe buy some triggers. ;) technique is the most important. ANKLES!
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Post Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:29 pm

It's amazing how much this topic comes up here. Basically almost everything that has been said prior to this post is helpful in some capacity or another. What really helped me back in the day with double bass was starting very slow and trying to make left and right as even and as exact as possible. Also, I liked putting snare rudiments to the test with my feet. Before I tried these two things I was fast as all hell but it wasn't very even. Posture is also important. Don't work for your feet or legs, make them work for you.
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Post Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:34 pm

I guess everyone here has a bit of a point. I could never play double bass without my feet up, and I could never understand how those guys (heel down) did it. but remember there really are no rules in playin' drums! it's all about practice, practice, practice... you are gonna play the way you're gonna play. don't try to train yourself to play a certain way, try to play something first off and stick to it 'cause that's how your body is comfortable. heel up, heel down, feet sideways, whatever... PRACTICE is what's gonna do it for you... just be comfortable and practice, a whole LOT!!!
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Post Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:39 pm

seandude wrote:im getting a 5000 for christmass(dw) or a pearlwhatever

how do you devolup(spelling) skills as double bass how do i become a good player


"Balance"...
"Posture"...
"Heel Down"...
"Heel Up"...
Remember...The ankle becomes the "wrist" and the leg becomes the "arm"...Etc.
Now go through PASIC rudiment sheets & "Master Studies" or a similar book "upside down"...
Brace yourself for some treacherous frustration...Good time to practic(s)e your cursing as well... ':oI
But, keep in mind "It will come"...
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Post Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:46 pm

DO NOT use leg. use ankle. that is how these crazy death metal guys get so fast. dont pound the crap out of your pedals. not necessary. tune the drum to a point where its loud. maybe buy some triggers. ;) technique is the most important. ANKLES!
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Post Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:49 pm

You should learn how to play double bass with a single pedel, the DW 7000 single chain speedpedel. :D
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Post Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:59 pm

an excercise that helped me both with hands and feet. (im not sure if this has like a certain name or whatever but anyway)

basically, with your hands play around a 5 piece set up, snare, rack, rack, floor, or whatever you have, and each time you go round progressively increase the number of beats from 1 to 8, and then back again (keeping a backbeat with your feet if you really think its neccessary)

then do exactly the same with your feet, keeping a simple 4/4 backbeat with your hands, quarter notes are fine, but eigth notes fill it in so you get a more direct feel of limb placement on each beat. you can also incorporate this into solos... non-drummers dig things that get faster as they go along ;)

what pretty much everyone else said is great too :D practice practice practice!
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Post Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:46 pm

Alcyon wrote:
Make sure you have everything locked in though, your feet should be solidly in the same position on the pedals, not flying everywhere, and you should be really solid, no mistakes, before you jack up the speed.



gotta disagree a little here. I've been playing double bass for about 18 months and while being "locked in" is important, keeping your feet in one posisition is not always crucial. If you reference lamb of god he uses a couble techniques for moving your feet on the pedals when nessessary. I do the same mostly for straight 16ths. but it is important to start and be consistant. I agree with the comment above rudiments are key. Especially if you wanna develop something original.
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Post Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:47 pm

Ive been playing 2 bass drums for 2 years now and when i started to get better i just started off slow and keep playing at a comfortable speed till i was comfortable to go faster then sat on that speed until i could move up etc. And i also found a thing Jason Bitner wrote helpfull in dexterity ways, i cant remember what it is though. So just practice and I highly recommend you dont start playing any bad habits or you'll have to re correct. So good luck and you'll be playing 1000+ bpm before you know it if u practice :)
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Post Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:45 pm

There are so many answers to this question because there are so many drummers with different styles and techniques. I guess it would first depend on what you're going for with double bass. Personally, I've always felt naked without two bass pedals in front of me; which, in turn, makes me feel like a cheater because I never developed the solid techniques for my right foot. For me, it was a trade-off. I lean more toward the rock/metal aspect of double bass, drawing heavy influences from Mike Portnoy, Mark Zonder and Scott Rockenfield. Usually, the bands I play with call for straight 3/4 & 4/4 double bass. For fills, I just mix it up and find something I can stick with later on as the song(s) become more developed. But if you're talking straight rhythmic double bass-- yeah, you can buy all the books and DVD's you want. But it ultimately comes down to feel. YOUR feel.

Visualize what you want to do; how you want to been seen and heard playing. Start practicing, slowly building up to the point where you feel fluid in what you're setting out to accomplish. I'd say it took a good five to seven years before I was totally confident with my double bass technique. Just when I think I've got it down, I learn something new about my technique with each different set of musicians I play with. So, there is no black&white answer. Life behind your kit will get you where you want to go.
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Post Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:46 pm

for speed play with a metranome and gradually bring the tempo up untill you are satsfies with your speed
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