Metal Drummers vs. Jazz Drummers

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What style of music do you think is harder to play?

Jazz
77
74%
Metal
27
26%
 
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Post Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:39 am

PatternsInTheIvy wrote:Thank you Manzo! Derek Roddy in particular has just as much feel as any Jazz drummer IMO, and George Kollias has insane technique! Also, Inferno from Behemoth is a very masterful drummer.


Yes he is, most people think he is a sloppy drummer because he headbangs while playing most of the time. How does that show he is sloppy? that hows how freakin insane he is. Headbanging, while blasting, and doing 200+ BPM on double bass. If you watch some of his studio recording videos, you will see how technique, and how many times he tries to improve a song after he has completed it. To a certain degree, Adler and Inferno do have the same perfectionist ways while drumming. (If you ever watched Lamb of God's Killadelpia DVD you will see that Chris is a huge neat freak.)

and here is a video of Derek Roddy grooooooooovin

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Post Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:12 pm

derek roddys one of my favorite drummers. But I wouldn't say groove is his strong point.
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Post Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:38 pm

^ absolutely not. Thats why he is a metal drummer.

I was just saying that he starting out drumming for jazz and stuff and much later got into metal.
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Post Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:42 pm

while comparing apples to oranges its important to note that you really cannot compare the two. please note that oranges have a bumpy skin that needs to be peeled before consumed while, apples can be consumed without peeling, although if you choose to do so you can peel an apple. while they both have seeds, oranges do not have a core, apples do, and that core can be eaten but only if you choose to. there are also many different kinds of apples such as granny smith, Washington, and golden delicious, just like there many different types of oranges like navel and Valencia, further distorting comparisons.


buddy rich could play any metal song ever period. thats the truth
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Post Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:40 pm

well metal is influenced by jazz in many ways.
math-metal as an example.
meshuggah is pretty jazzy
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Post Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:41 pm

vincemie wrote:while comparing apples to oranges its important to note that you really cannot compare the two. please note that oranges have a bumpy skin that needs to be peeled before consumed while, apples can be consumed without peeling, although if you choose to do so you can peel an apple. while they both have seeds, oranges do not have a core, apples do, and that core can be eaten but only if you choose to. there are also many different kinds of apples such as granny smith, Washington, and golden delicious, just like there many different types of oranges like navel and Valencia, further distorting comparisons.


buddy rich could play any metal song ever period. thats the truth


If he got his double base chops up I bet he could :lol:
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Post Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:53 pm

buddy rich's double bass chops were greater than whomever most people think the greatest double bass player is nowadays. buddy rich was the greatest drummer who ever walked planet earth. thats not my opinion either. watch some of his vids and study his technique and listen to what some of the the greats have said about him. buddy could do ANYTHING on a drum kit, double bass and all. he never featured it because that wasnt what he did. but he could do it. as fast and as long and as clean as he chose too.
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Post Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:50 am

heh, that sounds like one of those chuck norris things. "buddy rich played so fast, he had to replace his snare drum head 5 times in a show because it would melt".

you have to remember that at the time buddy did that double bass thing with bellson, bellson was the benchmark. by modern standards, bellson's double kick playing is not really all that advanced at all. I'm sure if he'd worked at developing his double kick technique, buddy probably would have been monstrous at it. don't belittle the players of today by saying that buddy was better than them at something he couldn't even really do. even cobham's footwork isn't up to some of the folks around at this point in time.
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Post Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:02 am

I think to try and compare metal and jazz in a competitive way is high-larious.

There's some beautiful, incredibly difficult to play, and conceptually challenging metal. Same goes for jazz. It's all artistic expression at the end of the day. Get over it.

And just for the record, there's several drummers who can/could keep up with Buddy on a technical level. Tony Williams, Simon Phillips or Joe Morello for example. Just look at someone like Marco Minneman. I really doubt anything buddy played would give him too much issue. The thing about buddy wasn't just what he played tho. It was the incredible musicality with which he could kick a band and form a solo into a compositional statement. Sure, he had atomic hands...so do lots of people. I'm not knocking the man at all, if you've read any of my posts involving buddy, you will know this. I think he's in a league few reach.
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Post Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:27 am

vincemie wrote:buddy rich's double bass chops were greater than whomever most people think the greatest double bass player is nowadays. buddy rich was the greatest drummer who ever walked planet earth. thats not my opinion either. watch some of his vids and study his technique and listen to what some of the the greats have said about him. buddy could do ANYTHING on a drum kit, double bass and all. he never featured it because that wasnt what he did. but he could do it. as fast and as long and as clean as he chose too.


I'm not saying that buddy rich wouldnt have been capabe of blazing out crazy double bass speed and perceision. But i will say that he never did
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Post Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:19 am

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Post Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:26 am

Both are hard to play but for different reasons. Metal drumming is more physical because you have to play harder and faster. Jazz is difficult because it requires the drummer to train his body to do things it's not used to doing ( I just saw Jason Bittner show some 3 way independant stuff).

btw, Bittner is a Berkley grad and while he plays metal, he also can impressively play jazz drumming.
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Post Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:29 am

Timekeep69 wrote:Both are hard to play but for different reasons. Metal drumming is more physical because you have to play harder and faster. Jazz is difficult because it requires the drummer to train his body to do things it's not used to doing ( I just saw Jason Bittner show some 3 way independant stuff).

btw, Bittner is a Berkley grad and while he plays metal, he also can impressively play jazz drumming.


I agree. I also thought it was funny when Bittner talked about the problems he had trying to learn it. It was the same problems each one of us have and he is one of the best.
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Post Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:32 am

Alan_ wrote:heh, that sounds like one of those chuck norris things. "buddy rich played so fast, he had to replace his snare drum head 5 times in a show because it would melt".

you have to remember that at the time buddy did that double bass thing with bellson, bellson was the benchmark. by modern standards, bellson's double kick playing is not really all that advanced at all. I'm sure if he'd worked at developing his double kick technique, buddy probably would have been monstrous at it. don't belittle the players of today by saying that buddy was better than them at something he couldn't even really do. even cobham's footwork isn't up to some of the folks around at this point in time.

my statement was not to belittle the players of today, it was more to illustrate how far ahead of his time he was and in many aspects still is, and that i find his technique amazing beyond belief or genre. while it is pointless to say he is better at someone at something he didnt even do, ill admit dosent make all that much sense but it was to illustrate a master drummer who could probably smash every genre if he were alive today, regardless of jazz or metal.
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Post Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:33 am

for me, I've had a great love of jazz AND metal since I was a kid in the 70's.

Every idiom has its challenges and idiosyncraces.