Metal Drummers vs. Jazz Drummers

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What style of music do you think is harder to play?

Jazz
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Metal
27
26%
 
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:46 am

I was surprised when I saw that no one had mentioned Nicko McBrain, and how it took so long to mention Mike Portnoy.... my god. Nicko McBrain(Iron Maiden) has got to be, in my eyes, the best drummer out there. I mean, if you really listen to his drumming, especially on any of Iron Maiden's new albums of the 21st century, like the last one, A Matter of Life and Death(2006), you'll notice how amazing his playing is! 5 words for him: Brighter Than A Thousand Suns.

Mike Portnoy... though he has a major set... he knows how to use it!!! Any song off of Images and Words by Dream Theater. Yah....

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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:23 am

Personally, I do not like the attitude within music that points to this vs that. It's all music. There is no telling that a drummer who chose to play metal and became good at that style would not have succeeded at jazz, had he or she chosen that style.

Some friends of mine, all fine young drummers, have been playing me quite a lot of the newer metal music that has been released. I am hearing some very interesting drumming in the process. Much of it is very creative and offers a degree of interesting "playability" for drummers. Syncopated beats, lots of big fills etc. If this is what a player wishes to play, I see nothing wrong with that choice.

The major difference, at least to me, is not whether this or that style is more complicated than the other. To me focusing on that is to miss the point entirely as to what these two styles offer. The major difference between rock music and jazz, is that most rock music, whether it be heavy metal, prog or classic rock, is that it is rehearesed to be played the same way during each performance. There might be improvisation to some extent within a live performance, but the music is basically rehearsed and this is what the audience expects.

Jazz music, although the form has structure, is meant to be played with a high level of improvisation, or to put it another way, instant composition. Instant composition is an art that gives the players more freedom of expression over a longer period. If this is the direction one wants to follow, it offers a great deal.

It's all up to the individual.

Years ago when pop and rock were in their formative years and were gaining wide acceptance, the old jazzers often had very negative things to say about the newer style. There may have been many reasons for this. Some may simply have been jealous that the simpler, folk oriented, players were getting the fame and riches that followed. Others may have poured scourn upon what they saw as the lack of skill needed to play it. But then most of the old jazzers couldn't have rocked out even had they so desired. And it can be said that the younger guys probably couldn't play jazz to save their lives. It all equals itself out.

If anything, I don't blame either style for its shortcomings. What may be a problem though to my way of thinking isn't so much this style against that, but the attitude of many drummers who believe they only wish to do one thing, and that thing is the very best. I prefer to remain open and try, at least to some degree, to understand as much as I can about all styles. It is important to be able to cope with as many situations as possible in order to achieve what it is I want from music.

Drummers are not alone, many musicians decide that one style is of less value than another. Percussionists often have the same prejudice. I've heard Afro/Cuban percussionists attack Brazilian percussion on many occassions. I've also heard them argue amongst themselves as to what is the correct and incorrect clave pattern.

I've heard classical music fans criticise everything that wasn't classical. As a musician I realise it's important to understand that every discipline takes practice, dedication and study. Whether it's playing a written or improvisied piece.

I think it's the same across all walks of life. You see it in team sports all the time. Both teams are playing the same thing, but some choose to favour one over the other. I've especially seen it in martial arts. Personally I'd like to see musicians embrace all mucisal styles. Or at least learn some respect.
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:42 am

elchris2k6 wrote:jazz is more creative, a more expandable sound...metal is just fast and loud


Never is it more apparent that someone knows nothing about metal drumming then when they say something like "Metal is just fast and loud"
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 6:50 am

personally. i love metal. its all i LISTEN to.
as far as playing goe's they are both substantially hard. ok yeah lets playa simple blast beat. boring.

in music its about exspression and accentin the music, especially for us. and both do just that. and its not always about how fast you can do a single stroke roll round the kit with metal its expression.

i apluad those who can play manys styles and not just simple minded. for drums as a whole are hard enough, slightly changing the subject, i hate people who think drums are easy coz we "hit" stuff. argh
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:03 am

I chose jazz just cause there wasnt a button for both! I sway towards jazz more, but they are both just as equall as each other! I think that you cant say one is better than the other, just like any sort of music. You can however like one more than the other! All music has to be appreciated!



p.s Im affraid hip-hop beats win hands down! Ha Ha! :D
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:08 am

i am going to choose metal. i think the people here choosing jazz are looking at the wrong metal bands. have a listen to Angra and Dreamtheater and you should be a little more open minded about this just hitting drums hard bullshit. my metal band is very experimental, progressive and so on, so the reason i have chose metal is that i know if i wanna play a small jazz beat section in one of our songs i can and we would our style in our music is incorperating different styles and so on..... so far ive not seen a jazz band that has been very open minded and experimented with other styles its all very ball n chain in those genres. ive heard metal bands that have gone into jazz beats so someone show me a jazz band that has bust out into some blast beat or something lol or anything metal.
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:09 am

well, first, you cant compare jazz and metal. They're complete opposites. second they're both hard if you try enough. jazz you have to play a lot of left hand lead things and maby gost with what the band is doing. in metal, maby the whole bass part is gosting the guitar part, or maby the lyrics. that aint easy
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:14 am

ross666dreamcatcher wrote:i am going to choose metal. i think the people here choosing jazz are looking at the wrong metal bands. have a listen to Angra and Dreamtheater and you should be a little more open minded about this just hitting drums hard bullshit. my metal band is very experimental, progressive and so on, so the reason i have chose metal is that i know if i wanna play a small jazz beat section in one of our songs i can and we would our style in our music is incorperating different styles and so on..... so far ive not seen a jazz band that has been very open minded and experimented with other styles its all very ball n chain in those genres. ive heard metal bands that have gone into jazz beats so someone show me a jazz band that has bust out into some blast beat or something lol or anything metal.


I wont say you are wrong, but there is much jazz that includes many styles. Some of the older cats believe it must be one way, but many of the younger guys grew up listening to metal, hip hop, funk etc. Everything is in a constant state of growth.
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:25 am

Any Jazz player can play metal..but not all metal players can play jazz
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:33 am

i am a metal drummer and i know some pretty interesting bands that play weird stuff like meshuggah, candaria, a life once lost....they do lost of weird stuff but jazz......i could never figure it out how they can remember all those little bits and pieces of there songs like its weird

if you havent heard of this guy he is AMAZING check this guy out his name is THOMAS LANG hes been playing since he was verry little.....its been said what ever he can do with his hands he can do with his feet....and i believe it hes on drummerworld.com you can find him there or just search him on google video
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:23 am

Dont get me wrong, i love metal, its a brillient style to learn, especially if you wanna increase your indurance and stamina.
and jazz is equally as good since it increases rhythm.
i think each is equally as important to learn if you want to become a wider spread drummer
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:26 am

I do not play metal but that's by choice. Metal is a genre of music that can't really be motified. Metal is one way and one way only. In Jazz, you can be creative and expressive with the music. You can take a song and change it any way and it can still be considered jazz. Once you change the fast, constant beat of metal, it becomes something totally different. Its just not as free and fun like Jazz is.
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:54 am

i agree that jazz is hard but it really depends on what you do with it and how far you take it musically as a drummer. and what about the progressive branch of metal. there is no end to where you can take it.
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:55 am

nestee99 wrote:Metal is a genre of music that can't really be motified.


Please explain this in detail.
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:16 am

Um can i post that you guys should not be so closed minded to say that Jazz is it and nothing more your genre is a profession and nothing more u make it or break it its not the music its self go ahead play a straight fast quarter note beat or play some odd jazz timing to me its all the same its just what you make of it i just think metal drummers sell out to much and get an ego so they feel they dont have to play anything hard because after a while their "stage performance" and their style means everything so dont bash on the metal drummers because i believe to each his own i mean who here can cover shannon lucas from all that remains? who here can cover an entire opeth song like dileverance or masters apprentices or wreath and thats PROGRESSIVE metal odd time sigs very acoustic trippy music sounds and then back to the straight forward metal grooves i mean dont get me wrong or anything for what metal drummers put out and what people SEE to use in their music made example from , of course the comparison is nothing because jazz drummers put a lot of great elements in their music but thats my rant..