Metal Drummers vs. Jazz Drummers

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What style of music do you think is harder to play?

Jazz
77
74%
Metal
27
26%
 
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Post Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:36 pm

Pick please and explain why if you want
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Post Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:12 pm

jazz is more creative, a more expandable sound...metal is just fast and loud
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Post Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:06 pm

elchris2k6 wrote:jazz is more creative, a more expandable sound...metal is just fast and loud


agree. metal is hard and technical but mainly just because you have to play some really fast passages and play them really tight. jazz is just a whole new world and then theres all the little sub genres that branch off of jazz.
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Post Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:41 pm

Jazz. The amount of expertise needed to be a good jazz drummer is light years ahead for a metal drummer. There is a finesse that has to be attained.

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Post Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:03 pm

I'd say both are hard technically, but I voted for jazz. I did it because most metal bands are juz in the loud&fast corner of the technical spectrum. The are some bands like Death or Cynic that expanded it more to look like a jazz oriented spectrum. But there are more jazz bands covering everything technically than metal bands.
If we talk about finesse, than both need it. But metal being this fast& tight, there's not really much to be finesse about. So even if the drummer is very good, if he doesn't play intricate parts very fast, he won't play them at all. If a jazz drummer is very emotional and creative but a bit slower, he can still manage to play how he feels and be heralded as a great drummer.
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Post Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:06 am

Jazz can get very very fast, lol. So all in all even though I love to play and listen to metal, Jazz takes the cake. Im a working professional drummer. At one time or another Ive played both. And everytime I have to play Bebop or Hardbop, Big Band or anything Jazz that dosent have a steady backbeat its chalenging! And when your playing at the speen of light with nothing on the up beats except your high hat, it can get crazy. But whenever I play a jazz gig, even a reading jazz gig its always way harder than any type of music other than latin music in odd time. Latin Jazz is the hardest of all.
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Post Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:06 pm

today i sat down at my kit, and tried playing both styles, now im a predominantly jazz drummer if asked to choose between the two and still i found jazz harder to play. the technicality of jazz music as well as all of its styles makes it difficult to become a very good 'jazz' drummer unless you are specific in one area like the bossa nova in which case it is not to difficult to beccome a very good bossa nova player.

however metal is different, now i cant play a double bass drum pedal, they just confuse my feet :? but still its not to difficult to play metal if you loosen your hi-hats and play around, sure the technical side of prog metal takes skill but as a whole, i find metal easier

just my opinion, good topic
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Post Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:42 pm

Metal doesnt require anywhere near as much thought as jazz does
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Post Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:11 pm

I will not choose with this because both are equally talented.

Jazz has tons and tons of great rhythms and is a style any drummer should learn. It takes a lot of talent

Metal usually takes different drumming styles and put it into one small package. There are a few metal drummers like: Jason Bittner and Mike Portnoy(sp) who have gone to a music school, and who studied different styles.
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:52 am

I chose jazz; I play both, and I find jazz much more challenging because in jazz you have to really know what you're doing. I've studied jazz for years and there is still so much to learn (I know that's true on drums for an entire career, but in that type of music even more so). However, there are many fantastic players in both genres.
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:03 am

Shalaq wrote:I'd say both are hard technically, but I voted for jazz. I did it because most metal bands are juz in the loud&fast corner of the technical spectrum. The are some bands like Death or Cynic that expanded it more to look like a jazz oriented spectrum. But there are more jazz bands covering everything technically than metal bands.
If we talk about finesse, than both need it. But metal being this fast& tight, there's not really much to be finesse about. So even if the drummer is very good, if he doesn't play intricate parts very fast, he won't play them at all. If a jazz drummer is very emotional and creative but a bit slower, he can still manage to play how he feels and be heralded as a great drummer.


Amen to that. There are many metal drummers and bands of jazz origins, Dillinger Escape Plan, Ephel Duath, Sleep Terror, Meshuggah. I'm a big fan of both. Once you have learned the art of syncopating, you're tuned in-to jazz then employ as and when necessary to whatever type of ensemble you're playing with.
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:17 am

elchris2k6 wrote:jazz is more creative, a more expandable sound...metal is just fast and loud


You're point is both true and untrue. Jazz is highly skilled and creative but, so is metal, not just fast and loud. Drummers that play in a certain style or band don't necessarily deserve to be doing so, because, the popularity of a band, the CV of a drummer, the amount of millions the albums sold or how many weeks it stays at number one, doesn't account for quality. An example of that is Lars Ulrich, biggest disgrace to both drumming and metal, a poor mans impression of Animal on a good day. Fame can come from pity, hence the abundance of reality TV shows. It is wrong to say that metal is JUST fast and loud, metal as with any other genre or sub-genre spawns countless amounts of bands that fit a certain catergory but sound millions of miles apart. For you to say that, is the equivelant of me working in your local H.M.V. and refusing to let you buy a Motzart CD unless you produce ID to prove you are a freemason.
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:45 am

mm personally I love/ play metal with my band.. but I agree with you all that jazz is more creative and musically impressive.. which is the reason I started taking lessons in jazz drumming, so i'm trying to incorporate that into the style i play now =)
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:50 am

Yeah I feel both Types of music are fun and have their challenging points but I am not really even that great of a drummer and I can play metal with no problem so I would say in general dificulty Jazz is an easy win :wink:
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:29 am

Harder? so we're talking about... is it Harder for ourselves or in general for everyone? and harder as in.. physically/ emotionally/ mentally harder or just all of it?

well generally speaking.. metal is harder to play physically and jazz would have to be harder to play mentally. even though theyre both right up there with each other.

Listen to some 'brutal' death metal, and tell me that blasting for practically 30+ minutes is physically easier than like.. Planet X with Donati doing his off the wall (awesome) jazz beats.

And while you're listening to Planet X, tell me that the beats Donati is doing is Not as technical or complex as basic blast beat..fill..blast.

You guys catch my Sarcasm here?

and as far as which is Emotionally harder... u cant really speak for anyone else about that... But for me.. theyre both equally as hard


and also.. "Metal is Loud"

wtf is that supposed to mean...
Im listening to, the ever so Brutal, Gorgasm though my headphones while Greg Howe is Blasting though my 1000 watt PA system. So metal isnt loud in that situation.

Loud has Nothing to do with anything.


but anyways.. thats just my 2cents. and keep in mind.. its just my opinion. :!: [/quote][/b]