Buddy R. or Gene K.?

Drummers' Hall of Fame.
You know a great drummer? Tell us about it!
Questions, discussions and overviews.

Moderator: Moderators

User avatar
liquidrummr
drumming adept
drumming adept
Posts: 147
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:56 pm
Location: sacramento, calif

Post Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:25 am

I am a great fan and disciple of both Gene and Buddy as well as others, however, I had the opportunity to meet Buddy when I was 12 and got to sit next to him onstage and watch him play a blistering 1/2 hour solo after which he handed me the sticks he used which were beat to snot. Needless to say, I always considered him to be the best. [/b]
User avatar
SHOGUNWARRIOR32
drumming adept
drumming adept
Posts: 386
Joined: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:57 am
Location: Detroit, Mi.

Post Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:23 am

Based on the "HOLY SHIT!" factor...i find myself saying HOLY SHIT! way way more when watching Buddy. shogun
<img src="http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9207/logoanimation1smallbn4.gif"><a href="http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3244/newkitpic33008vs3.jpg" target="blank"><img src="http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8996/drumsthumbvt6.jpg"></a>
User avatar
Brother_Bong
groove master
groove master
Posts: 4300
Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:53 pm
Location: Maine

Post Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:12 am

I would reply....both, each one has something for us to take a look at.
MEDICINE MAN AZ Endorsed, TRICK PEDALS, ZILDJIAN, SABIAN, SALUDA, SUPERNATURALS, ASAPH, WUHAN, SILVERFOX, BUD LIGHT

Image
Four Sticks
beginner
beginner
Posts: 19
Joined: Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:18 am
Location: SF Bay Area

Post Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:01 pm

Since I like them both, it's just too hard to say. I guess I will have to go with BR on this one.
Pearl SMX Kit(stays at home), Tama Star Classic Kit(Gig kit 1) , Roland V drums Kit(stays at home), Hand Made cocktail kit(gig kit 2), 1 Ludwig kit( stays in bands practice room). Over 20 cymbals total.
User avatar
Multibomber
drumming adept
drumming adept
Posts: 389
Joined: Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:20 am

Post Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:00 am

I cant explain it, but Buddy Rich just doesnt inspire me one bit. I watch his solos, and I'm like, "Yawn! Bore, ZZZZZZZZZ...." Gene Krupa on the other hand, I could listen to him all day.



Ya I know, I dont get it either, but thats the honest truth. Maybe it is because we all really like Gene more as a person. Its hard for me to like a guy I know I would've hated in real life... plus I just dig Gene's flare!
drum blizzy
beginner
beginner
Posts: 18
Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:59 pm
Location: lubbock TX

Post Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:17 am

Buddy had way better hands and to me hes just all around better
<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k296/bbbb_017/m_35057deba19e157efe2c1ab9b818cabe.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"></a>
User avatar
slingerland66
drumming adept
drumming adept
Posts: 111
Joined: Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:59 am
Location: NEW JERSEY

Post Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:00 am

Put youreslf in the shoes and Zoot suit of the band leader... gene was better to work with and more willing to play tastefully as opposed to buddys constant need for attention. but yea.. im still goin with mr bernard 'Buddy" Rich... he was playing hybrid rudiments years before DCI drum heads got stoned enough to think of the term and concept of "cheeses".... or "radamaques" for example...
Use vintage drums with vented snares for the best of both worlds.
User avatar
kErmit vOn zOmbie
drumming adept
drumming adept
Posts: 151
Joined: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:44 pm

Post Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:23 pm

Louis Bellson (who if you didn't know beat our 40, 000 other cats to win Slingerlands Gene Krupa contest at age 17) summed it up best about why Gene would always dominate the drum battles even though he might not have been as technically proficient as Rich - "Buddy would go off and play at a million miles an hour and then Gene would come along with Rakataka taka taka ta TA!!!!" and the crowd would go wild cause Gene understood how powerful silence could be when combined with big arm movements and larger than life performance. While I prefer Gene Krupa (we all owe him, but that said what about Tony Sharboro the 1st jazz drummer on records) Buddy was also a truly gifted great player, who openly admitted that he owed it all to Gene and loved Gene so much that he even copied Gene's set up. Gene was set up on the drug bust for the record btw. Go Gene Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
User avatar
Alan_
groove master
groove master
Posts: 4204
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:47 am
Location: austin, tx

Post Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:12 pm

heh, there's some insaaane buddy stories. like the time that he kept talking smack to bellson about using two bass drums, challenged him to a battle where both were playing 2 bass drums, and more than kept up with bellson.

or the time he broke his left arm, played one-handed (even tackling his solo numbers admirably), and papa jo jones was in the audience. Papa Jo said with his typical acid wit: "If that arm heals, it ought to be broken again".
User avatar
break the prism
groove master
groove master
Posts: 1438
Joined: Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:22 pm
Location: Danbury, CT

Post Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:14 pm

Gotta give it to Gene Krupa for being the first to bring the whole drum kit into the recording studio.

But then again...Buddy Rich was a black belt.
Last edited by break the prism on Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Beat on.
User avatar
AshleyDrums
drumming adept
drumming adept
Posts: 59
Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:05 pm
Location: Oxford, England

Post Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:15 pm

They both rock, they are better in their own rights.
<a href="http://s101.photobucket.com/albums/m69/ashleydrums/?action=view&current=ZildjianLogo.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m69/ashleydrums/ZildjianLogo.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
User avatar
Alan_
groove master
groove master
Posts: 4204
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:47 am
Location: austin, tx

Post Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:25 pm

krupa was the man who catalyzed the modern tunable tom tom. before him, toms either had the bottom or both heads tacked on. he bitched to slingerland about this, and they put tunable heads on both sides.
User avatar
break the prism
groove master
groove master
Posts: 1438
Joined: Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:22 pm
Location: Danbury, CT

Post Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:36 pm

Krupa made a lot of contributions to modern drumming and the modern drum kit.
Beat on.
User avatar
Alan_
groove master
groove master
Posts: 4204
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:47 am
Location: austin, tx

Post Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:58 pm

I'll tell you who I love from that 30s/40s era of big band players as well as either Buddy or Gene: Papa Jo Jones and Chick Webb. Papa Jo had a sense of drama, dynamics, and subtlety in his solos that few others have ever equalled. Chick Webb...the man was like a huge fire, heating up the band. Guy was a MANIAC, also the guy that Buddy bowed down to above all other big band drummers. He was to Buddy Rich what Buddy Rich is to so many of us.
DrumsPlus
groove master
groove master
Posts: 1785
Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:03 am
Location: Galesville, WI

Post Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:06 pm

Bong wrote:I would reply....both, each one has something for us to take a look at.


I would have to go along with Bong on this one. To say one was better or worse would be wrong. It is dependent on what you are asking. Both had strong points and weak points.
Image
_____________________
SilverFox HR Sticks