Flatliner wrote:I know where you are coming from, but I don't like the implication that groove and technique can't co-exist.
I guess it may look like I have implied that Groove and Technique cannot co-exist... Yet I don't feel that way at all... they are actually far from being mutually exclusive.
A great example of the two living in the same space can be found by heading over to youtube and doing a search on buddy rich, or barrett deems, or even louis bellson...
To be concise, I don't consider drum videos as being "music" and perhaps that's a shortcoming of mine, but until I see all the technique put to use in actual music, I guess I just don't understand the point of having monster chops if you're not going to make music with them!
As an example, Bozzio has monster chops, and I've seen him make music with all that technique, and it feels great! I've heard other chop-masters that can't groove on a bet... so I guess I'm saying they CAN co-exist, that's why it's such a shame when they don't.
For the purpose of this discussion we were asked to compare Thomas Lang, an absolute technician at his craft against a guy with GREAT chops, immaculate pocket and relentless groove, that has made an outstanding contribution to the world of music. One way of saying it is "technique is cheap"... the other way is "speed ain't nothin' without class"
I'm an old-timer, I think there's more to music than the application of well-rehearsed patterns. "Feel" means a lot.