Cymbal setup for church.

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Post Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:52 pm

I play drums for the youth band at my chruch and pretty soon we will be building a new youth building. It's is going to be setup with state-of-the-art sound and light systems, plus it is going to seat about 500 people....so it will be like a professional concert every week, but I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions on cymbals for that kind of setting.
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Post Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:04 pm

It has nothing to do with the setup and everything to do with what YOU want. I like 2 crashes on the right and one on the left. I use a five piece one high tom and 2 floors. High hats and ride cymbal where the other tom goes. Splash right above the first tom and a china right between the 2 crashes and below on my right.
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Post Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:51 pm

i was hired to play at church services once. i just had two crashes, hi-hats, a splash, and a ride.

if you're talking about cymbal types...i'd say stick to soft to medium loud cymbals
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Post Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:55 pm

Actually, the acoustics of the room do play a huge part! Try taking dsome cymbals that you already like into this room and notice what they sound like. Do they sound harsh? Do they stand out sonically too much?
One of the things that I try to work with is but using lower pitched, darker cymbals in a room with alot of highs and reflective surface. I do this so that there won't be more complaints than what is reasonable about the volume and the cymbals don't overpower everything.


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Post Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:51 am

Setup doesn't matter. Its all up to you. I play at a church, and I use two crashes, 1 splash, a ride and hi-hats.
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Post Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:00 am

If I were you I'd buy what seems the most versatile- a 20 inch medium ride, 14 inch medium hihats, 16 and 18 medium crashes, a 8 splash and 18 or 20 china. I think it will cut in most situations and if not, the band coming will probably have their own cymbals.
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Post Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:30 am

i play for my church and the BSU at college, so speaking from lots of experience, i can say that (in my opinion) a larger china is really not necessary for church, unless you're doing more of a rock worship instead of contemporary. then maybe.
a small china or a china splash may have it's place, though

my setup is (in order of smallest to largest)

10 splash
14 hats
15 crash (AAXplosion makes a great crash for worship)
16 crash
18 crash (another AAXplosion but maybe a bit too loud for worship)
20 ride

oh, and a set of wind chimes :D

it works great for me, and i've had no complaints

but really it's what ever you think sound the best. i can just give you a suggestion based on my own experience
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Post Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:59 am

I play for my church and I use my paragon cymbals. 14" HiHats, two 16" crashes, 18" crash, 22" ride, 20" china and 10" splash. We recorded (video) a recent concert for the youth and they sound awesome. To hear for yourself, go to the video section of our myspace page: www.myspace.com/janesumcpraiseband or follow these links:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... 2022588651

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... 2022804681

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... 2022822294

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... 2022826584
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Post Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:27 pm

VictorQuinnHill wrote:I play drums for the youth band at my chruch and pretty soon we will be building a new youth building. It's is going to be setup with state-of-the-art sound and light systems, plus it is going to seat about 500 people....so it will be like a professional concert every week, but I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions on cymbals for that kind of setting.


I hope you are micing your kit? If not i would highly suggest it. It will make your cymbal choices much easier.

You'd probably want to stick with thin, paper thin cymbals if you're worried about volume wouldn't you think? Probably studio cymbals would be best.
personally, if you are micing the kit i wouldn't be worried so much about the volume of the cymbals, but just picking cymbals that compliment the sound of your band well. I am ASSUMING you are playing contemporary worship style? If so I'd think you would want more shimmery sounding cymbals... perhaps AAX?
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Post Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:31 pm

Thicker cymbals are louder. I'd go for the thinnest ones you can bear to play; volume has been and always will be a consideration when playing in a church, as you have the little old lady that INSISTS on sitting in the front row who 99.99% of the time bitches about the volume of the band. True story!
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Post Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:06 pm

All I ever played for church is my K Custom Dark set up (hats, 2 crashes, ride) with some A Zildjian splashes. We rocked out pretty hard sometimes and I never needed a china.
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Post Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:28 pm

drumschick07 wrote:Setup doesn't matter. Its all up to you. I play at a church, and I use two crashes, 1 splash, a ride and hi-hats.


I only agree with statement to a point ... the set up doesn't matter if you have a good sense of dynamics and a great touch on the cymbals. The room acoustics in most church building are not drum & cymbal friendly.

That is why you see many churches paying big $$$ for Vdrum setups with no acoustic drums or cymbals. All the sound guy has to do is pull the Vdrum stereo fader down to adjust your volume. The drummer doesn't have to play sensitively or with dynamic because electronic drums only have about 7 levels of dynamics anyway.

I have been playing in churchs for almost 30 years and I have found that thin crashes like the (AAX studio line) sound better than heavy (I.e., Paiste Rude cymbals) because it is easier to control the dynamics in a tough acoustic environment.

My setup always varies, but I really like a couple of crashes, a solid ride and hi hats and a nice china cymbal (i.e. mine is a Paiste signature 16" thin china ... great cymbal for church - not too garbage can lid like). I also throw in a splash or bell cymbal for effects sometimes.

So, I agree is is not the set up, but the player and the ability or play with dynamics that works for any church gig.
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Post Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:55 pm

Thin cymbals aren't necessarily the answer. They can become shrill in a big open room in mic'd setting. Some pique too much, too fast, like an over-sized splash. If the drummer is more experienced, the darker cymbals (such as the K Custom Darks mentioned above) will have more range and possibly sound better under the mics.

But no one here knows unless they've tested the cymbals inside that building.
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Post Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:27 pm

I think you really should consider the size and the acoustics of the room you'll be playing in. High ceilings? I'm currently playing an electronic set which really stinks. My church is smail and some of the older folks complained so as it stands I've mixed an electronic set with acoustic accesories. I've added a tamborine, chimes, block and one 16" crash which I use lightly and sometimes as a ride. It works, but if I had the room and acoustics were less of a problem, I would use hats, 14 and 16 studio crashes (less volume and good shimmer) a ride and a couple of splashes.
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Post Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:49 pm

One other thing I should say about volume: I'm betting my church's worship team plays louder than some of your bands. In a modern worship setting, the cymbals would undergo the some concerns as most other band instrumentation.