zen_drummer wrote: pow3rtr1p wrote: kplante069 wrote: pow3rtr1p wrote:
The only slight issue I have with Saluda is that they only use B20 Bronze. Sure, it's the most expensive, but not necessarily the best. For instance, Meinl's mb20 series has some great stuff, but their mb10 crashes, even with the same size and weight as an mb20 crash, have a whole different character to them. If Jamie would carry B10 or B12, he could open up all new sound avenues. However, I don't know how much hassle and money would be involved in carrying all different types of bronze, and they still sound great, so I'm not saying he should or anything. Just one of the few things I see as a flaw in Saluda's plan.
Still love mine, though, so please don't misunderstand.
I think there is too much emphasis on what material a cymbal is made of. I also think too much is made about how that look. The only thing I try to concern myself with when choosing a cymbal is how does it sound. I could care less if a cymbal was made from an aluminim trash can lid and colored baby poop brown. Close your eyes and hit it. Does it sound like what you want? That's all that should matter.
Exactly, and if the sound you are looking for is B12, then B20 just won't cut it.
I'm an old school guy, you could say in many ways I'm an old fart as well... but I've been doing this a long long time, and back in the dark ages when I was developing "my" sound... nobody knew what alloy a cymbal was made from, in fact, the Zildjian alloy was considered to be a "top secret".
That being siad, I don't actually care
what alloy a cymbal is made out of. I don't care if was hand hammered in Turkey, Lathe turned by the son of a sultan or pre-aged in the beds of 16 year-old virgins! I ONLY care how it SOUNDS, and frankly, I don't care what a cymbal costs, because for me, I so rarely break a cymbal I consider them to be good solid investments.
I know what I like, and while I happen to have the gift of gab, and the ability to put my thoughts into words pretty well, I am absolutely certain that I lack the ability to describe what I'm looking for sonically. I DO know that when I hear it, I KNOW it, without a doubt!
I've had cymbals made by Abex, Ufip, A. Zildjian, K. Zildjian, Zilco, Sabian, Paiste, Thor, Meinl, Istabul, Agop, Bosphorus, Wuhan and yeah, I have ONE Saluda, and I had the opportunity to hear it before owning it. I currently have some cymbals in hand that I'm working on reviewing for my website, and they are VERY impressive, made by Po' Boy... yep... Po' Boy! The Po' Boy cymbals are reworked wuhans, and they are quite exceptional.
Do I think Saluda makes great cymbals 100% of the time? Nope... but I don't think ANY company does!
But when we sit here bantering back and forth about what alloy a cymbal is made of, and how nice the finish is... I really think we've lost sight of the objective. The finish thing is cool, it's nice to have control over the "look" of your kit... but I gotta tell ya, in my opinion, that should be the absolute LAST consideration when buying a cymbal. The ALLOY should be unimportant as well. Sure the alloy effects the sound... but I don't need to KNOW what the alloy is... I only have to like the SOUND that the alloy produces! Spare me the details!
I don't care if a Saluda is a re-worked Stagg, or if it's a reworked Wuhan. It doesn't matter to me. As far as I'm concerned it can be a reworked CAMBER for all I care!
I WANT THE TONE!
I want to get lost in the vibrations... I want to be inspired to PLAY! I want MUSICAL cymbals! I'm making MUSIC with them!
I can walk into Guitar center, a 5 star, House of Guitars, Sam Ash... you name it... there's a few hundred cymbals from which to choose. There MIGHT be TEN I would buy. Maybe fewer.
Saluda says the cymbals can sound anyway I want them to... That's a bold claim and I do not, nor do I have any particular reason to doubt that claim. But with 40 years of playing experience, I have absolutely NO idea how to describe that "it" factor that I can know is there in an INSTANT by playing the cymbal. Yet I read post after post from people that have purchased these custom created Saluda cymbals without so much as hearing a single eighth note on them, and all is well that ends well!
I simply cannot IMAGINE buying cymbals without hearing them first! I have heard SO MANY mediocre cymbals from GREAT cymbals makers that the prospect of plunking down Hard Earned Cash for a complete unknown is REALLY frightening to me! The low price is attractive, but I'm not so sure that's enough!
If this forum members are any example... it sounds like a VERY good chance that custom made cymbals I've never heard might actually pass muster. I just need to develop the spine to send some dough on the if-come.