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Post Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:28 pm

Bear, let the tom go, count it as experience.

Do a snare drum, nothing extravagant, just simple. Use bowtie lugs, classic strainer, inexpensive snare wires, and maybe a nice wrap or a custom wrap (cazdude's prices are very reasonable). Build it, take your time, put it up on ebay. It may or may not sell right away. I've built snares before that sat in my workshop for months before they sold. I blew a few out on here at a loss just so I could move them and get them in the hands of my fellow board members.

It's a process that takes time and patience. You're not going to start selling drums overnight. Also, one thing I learned the hard way is that not everyone has the same taste in drums, what you think is cool isn't to other people and vice versa. I've built drums for customers that made my eyes hurt and I've had drums that I made that I thought were extremely coo sit around for months.

Get into building drums for yourself if thats what you love but in order to sell drums you have to build what people want to buy.
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Post Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:14 pm

Cheerful-Bear wrote:What I meant to do out of this is use the cheapest parts. I suppose now I should say, no tube lugs, diecast or wooden, or trick strainers. I said CHEAP and SIMPLE, meaning, don't ask for the expensive parts.I GET IT!


No... you DON'T get it...

If I asked you to make a drum with cheap parts your drum will STILL be more expensive than a drum from PJ that has cheap parts, and I explained WHY... but you do not LISTEN (Or read, whatever)

The reason is BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ORDER SHELLS THAT HAVE BEARING EDGES AND SNARE BEDS.... PJ DOES NOT!

GET IT?

It's not the PARTS... it's the LABOR that YOU have to pay for, and PJ does on his own!

Let's look at drummaker.com for a minute and price a six ply 5.5x14" shell.

No Edges: $37.00
With Edges:$43.00
With Edges and Snare Beds: $63.00

So PJ buys a raw shell for 37 bucks... YOU have to pay 63 bucks

You're 26 bucks behind before any hardware is ordered at all!

So we add some cheap hardware, which he buys for less than you, and HOW ON EARTH can you deliver a drum with cheap hardware for less than he does?

You can't... and THAT is my point.

NOW Let me ask you this, if I may... If I buy a drum from you, and I get it, and I don't like it... what then? You don't have the money to offer me a refund, do you? We all know the answer to that. You don't! You lack the financial ability to stand behind your work. In fact, your proposal is to take peoples money, buy the parts and have fun building a drum at somebody else's expense. You get to play with the tools, and they pay for your fun.

I never said that you should stop making drums. I said you shouldn't pretend you have a drum company, because you don't.

And you REFUSE to really listen.

I'm the bad guy that's exploding all over your little tea party. You're the victim, I'm the mean old man. feel free to portray yourself as a victim... but if I prevent ONE person from buying a drum from an absolute beginner for a price that is HIGHER than a professionally built drum, then all this typing was worth it.

This fully demonstrates that you simply do not understand WHY you don't have a business, you have a HOBBY.

My ONLY question left is this:

Why isn't it enough for it to be a hobby? Why must you insist on turning this into business?

Well... the one thing that came out of this... you said you started this thread for exposure.... consider yourself exposed!
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Post Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:32 pm

zen_drummer wrote:but if I prevent ONE person from buying a drum from an absolute beginner for a price that is HIGHER than a professionally built drum, then all this typing was worth it.

Cheerful-Buddy, I know I'm supposed to be your friend and sticking up for you, but now I understand why your snare was more expensive than DW.
And zen, I hope he finally understands why his drums are more expensive. You couldn't be clearer.

Bear, if I were you, I would build snares and experiment with shells. You can make money a little faster than me, so start making a snare collection. That's what I plan on doing when I get a job. (But my DW comes first.) Then maybe when you learn to cut bearing edges and snare beds, you can start promoting yourself. Make snares of different woods/sizes/materials so you can play with all of them yourself, rather than making a ton of 6x14 and stacking them like totem poles.

Just listen to zen, and read all of his posts from the first character to the last, so we can stop all this fighting.
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Post Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:33 pm

Exposed and the horse has been beaten far beyond dead! Take it to PM if you choose to continue the beating! This is like a battle of wits with one element not having any ammunition. P.O.Y!
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Post Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:08 pm

stump wrote:Exposed and the horse has been beaten far beyond dead! Take it to PM if you choose to continue the beating! This is like a battle of wits with one element not having any ammunition. P.O.Y!


Roger that!
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Post Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:31 pm

would you be able to send me like nuts/lugs/hoops?
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Post Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:38 pm

tapeworm97 wrote:would you be able to send me like nuts/lugs/hoops?


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Post Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:27 pm

zen_drummer wrote:
JasonDeLima wrote:(Zen probably has more money than me. I would buy a snare from you if I had a job.)


lol, I threw a party for a big ol bunch of drummers recently, and I hired Regi Hendrix, Jason Bittner and Greg Howe to entertain all of us... you MIGHT have more money than I do at the moment! LOL

It was quite an expensive little event wasn't it?
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Post Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:06 pm

Brother_Bong wrote:
zen_drummer wrote:
JasonDeLima wrote:(Zen probably has more money than me. I would buy a snare from you if I had a job.)


lol, I threw a party for a big ol bunch of drummers recently, and I hired Regi Hendrix, Jason Bittner and Greg Howe to entertain all of us... you MIGHT have more money than I do at the moment! LOL

It was quite an expensive little event wasn't it?


LOL... you know it!
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Post Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:17 pm

zen_drummer wrote:
Brother_Bong wrote:
zen_drummer wrote:
JasonDeLima wrote:(Zen probably has more money than me. I would buy a snare from you if I had a job.)


lol, I threw a party for a big ol bunch of drummers recently, and I hired Regi Hendrix, Jason Bittner and Greg Howe to entertain all of us... you MIGHT have more money than I do at the moment! LOL

It was quite an expensive little event wasn't it?


LOL... you know it!


totally worth it tho :D
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Post Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:28 am

I'm fine.

And PJ - that was EXACTLY what I was going to announce.
For the next 1-2 years, I'm going to be making snares to sell. With the small profit of these I hope to get...
materials to do bearing edges and snare beds
electric sander
drill press

...and maybe a few other things. This snare thing will be put on hold while I make my snare journey :)

And I plan to make at least 1 of each: maple, birch, stave, solid, split, multi (acrylic and wood), brass, aluminum, wood veneered around aluminum, and acrylic.
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Post Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:24 am

That's cool. You don't need a drill press. Just a cordless drill, router, router table and sander. If you want to cut down shells yourself, get a table saw. Cutting your own shells has its advantages, you can use the scrap to experiment with.
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Post Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:24 am

You mean cutting my own bearing edges, or just like randomly cutting a shell in half or something? I thought a drill press would help to not have the wood explode on the inside when I drill. I hold a solid block of wood on the inside to prevent this, but it's still not perfect. And where exactly do I get the router, router table and sander? Have suggestions on what to get? I already have a good drill, our cordless sucks though.
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Post Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:52 am

Cheerful-Bear wrote:You mean cutting my own bearing edges, or just like randomly cutting a shell in half or something? I thought a drill press would help to not have the wood explode on the inside when I drill. I hold a solid block of wood on the inside to prevent this, but it's still not perfect. And where exactly do I get the router, router table and sander? Have suggestions on what to get? I already have a good drill, our cordless sucks though.


Harbor freight is a great resoource for cheap tools that are good for the money...

This Router Table listed has a removable router that can be used both on and off the table.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/d ... mber=95380

This is a GREAT little sander for the money.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/d ... mber=95020

And CLAMP that board you're putting behind the shell to prvent blowout... use clamps like these:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/d ... mber=92922

You'll also need router bits:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/d ... mber=31192

and

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/d ... mber=46864

and once you have tools, let me know, because I have some old shells that you can practice putting bearing edges on, so you don't trash anything of value while you learn... you'll very likely screw up a couple in the process!
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Post Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:00 am

Oh, I thought total, this would be like $1000! This is great! It'll take hardly any time to save up for this.
Thanks a ton for your help! What should I get first, like is there any strategic order? Do you want money for those shells, like $5 per shell?
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