What to buy to do some demo recording

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Post Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:10 am

I have a mac book on its way :).

So i want to know what to get to record a drum track and various other instruments over the top of it.

I know my best bet is a firepod or something, but i cant bloody afford it.

Ive looked at the alesis I|O 26 and 14 but they dont look right

ive looked at the Alesis Nv10 and that looks like a good deal cause its an analog mixer too and i quite like analog
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Post Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:58 am

eBay! I didn't buy my FirePod brand new. :)
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Post Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:01 am

SGarrett wrote:eBay! I didn't buy my FirePod brand new. :)


genius

i really want a firepod, it seems the best option.

I am starting a home studio up:)
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Post Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:35 am

Might as well start out with quality gear, then. :)
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Post Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:24 am

SGarrett wrote:Might as well start out with quality gear, then. :)


yeh how much would shipping be from your side?
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Post Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:36 am

Hmm. You'll have to contact some of the sellers. I'm pretty sure I've seen some auctions from your side of the pond in the past.
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Post Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:02 pm

I would go with the MOTU 8 Pre over the Firepod. Its a few buck more but it would be worth the extra money. I don't believe an Alesis mixer that converts from analog inputs to USB to be considered analog gear. It is still converting analog to digital outs just like the Firepod or 8Pre.

Now if you want an idea of how to have some analog preamps and EQ at a low cost (it would not be less than $500), try this: buy a mackie 1624 VLZ or 1402 VLZ mixer ($300 - 450) with at least four buses. Then buy an old MOTU 828 (MK1 the 1st version) on ebay for like $75 - $125. The mackie mixer will give you some of the analog feel and route it to the 828 which is a solid interface. Just remember you will need extra cabling to make it work.

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Post Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:20 pm

I own and use a FirePod for all my recording needs. Ive used it with Cubase, Reason, Logic Pro 8, and Gargeband.

I have owned 3 MBOXs and will never buy another.

The firewire data transfer method that the FirePod uses is 2x faster than any USB interface out there.

IMO the FirePod is the only way to go.
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Post Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:35 pm

one problem I will point out with old MOTU (Mark of the Unicorn) audio interfaces, if you're using a mac: they are not compatible with any newer macs. do not buy one of these puppies used and think you're just gonna plug it into your mac. WILL NOT WORK!
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Post Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:50 pm

There are many great firewire interfaces out there like the MOTU 8 Pre and 828. So you have many more choices for than the Firepod (which is fine, but nothing to write home about). Actually the orginal 828 was the first firewire device on the market. I used it to record many CD and drum track projects into Digital Performer 3.0, 4.5, 5.12, Garage Band, and Logic 8. I just bought the MOTU 828 MK3 and it sounds awesome and records from 44.1 kHz - 192 kHz, 16 or 24 Bit and has 28 inputs and 26 outputs.

I also do not recomend USB interfaces for multiple input users like drummers because USB 1 technology is quite slow. But USB2 technology has a similar data transfer rate as firewire does, but being a Mac user firewire works just fine for me.

I also agree the M-box is quite worthless to any drummer, because there are not enough inputs to record more that 4 tracks (Mbox Pro).

With technology moving as fast as it has been over the last 8 years, you can get in the recording game cheaper if you buy last years technology. Because buying an interface for $500 means you still need to buy drum mics, stands, cables, monitor speakers, and maybe a desk to put everything on to get started.
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Post Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:58 pm

Alan_ wrote:one problem I will point out with old MOTU (Mark of the Unicorn) audio interfaces, if you're using a mac: they are not compatible with any newer macs. do not buy one of these puppies used and think you're just gonna plug it into your mac. WILL NOT WORK!


Hi Alan:

I disagree with your statement. Buying a used 828 means you will need to download the latest drivers from MOTU which is version 1.4.8. I would recommend buying an 828 MK2 or the 8 Pre first because of the cue mix options. But an original 828 will work with Mac Intel processors, OS 10.5, and is compatible with OSX versions back to OSX 10.4.x. as stated on their website:

""MOTU Universal Audio Install- OSX

This install provides compatibility updates for Mac Intel processors, OS 10.5, and is compatible with OSX versions back to OSX 10.4.x.

Installer contains a driver update for the MOTU 828, 896, 828mk2, 828mk2 USB, 896HD, Traveler, UltraLite, 8pre, 828mk3 and 896mk3. Cuemix console supports external control surfaces, talkback & listenback capabilities, and I/O port names."
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Post Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:01 pm

just checked out what you're talking about. that is much newer than what we had. we had an old 2408 mk1 that connected via a pci slot. we tried forever to locate newer drivers.
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Post Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:20 pm

Alan you are right, MOTU did not update the 2408 which had the PCI card and was one of their original interfaces. But MOTU has been very good about keeping the original 828 working on all these new OS that Apple releases.

Now, I don't know how much longer MOTU will update the 828 MK1 drivers with the release of the 828 MK3 and Apple to release Snow Lepoard (OS 10.6) in the fall of this year. Only time will tell, but for now the 828 works with OS 10.5.x

Thanks for writing back

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Post Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:07 am

How bout a Zoom H2 or H4? I think that it'll be good enough to make a demo..
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