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Post Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:51 pm

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dreamtheaterfan1128 wrote:If you ask me, Neil's style is very basic. Neil cant do one middle section of a dream theater song, the time signature changes, and not that, but what Mike does in those time sigs is nothing but incredible, I mean Going to half time in the middle of a measure, pure genious. And Rush now Is horrible, Rush dont write like they used to. And Dream Theaters music is so advanced on every level, concept albums, Musicians, Song structure. Its all perfect.


dude, peart has some of the most insanely technical grooves youve heard in rock drumming, and rush rarely uses 4/4 time. also, ive heard that rushs newest cd gets back to their roots. i do prefer mike but to say that peart is basic is one of the grossest things ive heard said.


I completely agree. Pert isn't basic by any means. Pert is to rock music as Buddy Rich was to Jazz. In my opinion of course. Portnoy sounds very generic, and he is a complete bore to listen to. Almost everything Portnoy has done, I've heard Simon Phillips play before. It's nothing new. Just like the rest of the Dream Theater band, they constantly try to show off and play as complicated as they can, at the cost of feeling and melody.
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Post Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:58 pm

The only song they show off on is Ytse jam, you dont understand DT if you think they are just instrumental hell. Listen to the song Octavarium, that is the most beautiful song in the history of prog rock/metal. Not to mention what all Mike puts into the music. The ending to that song almost makes me cry. Here, look at this, this is all that Mike put into Octavarium.

http://dt.spatang.com/octavarium.php
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Post Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:08 pm

Is Octavarium the one where they sound a LOT like Yes?
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Post Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:16 pm

oh please can we let it go already,my friends say im the biggest portnoy fan ever and DT and i absloutley love both,lets face it without peart there would not be a portnoy probably but who r we to judge on that by he way Simon Phillips is one my Mike Portnoy biggest influences also im sure we all have our drum idols and in some way or another we take ideas from one another,i mean i listen to everyone from Peart,portnoy Colaiuta to Jeff Porcaro and steve Gadd let it go and just enjoy music and drumming,as far as Dt trying to play as complicated as possible,why do we have to critizise when somebody has talent and can be very proffisient on the instrument,shouldnt that push everybody to get better if were gonna talk about show offs lets start with buddy rich yet everybody seems to embrace him rather than put him down,im not knocking mr rich by any means,like i said i listen to everyone i just preffer prog rock,metal and fusion,so let it go and just open your ears and be positive theres to much negativity in the world today

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Post Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:23 pm

I've heard every single DT song there is out there, with the exception of maybe 2 or 3. I still say they sound like Judas Priest on crack. They're singer makes my stomach churn. I'm not saying Mike P. Isn't talented, he's just not that interesting. If sheer speed and technical ability is what you like, just listen to Virgil Donati.

I know I sound like a typical judgemental 15 year old right now, but I'm going nuts with all my drummer freinds praising Mike P. I just dont see what the big deal is.
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Post Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:59 pm

RogersDrummer wrote:I've heard every single DT song there is out there, with the exception of maybe 2 or 3. I still say they sound like Judas Priest on crack. They're singer makes my stomach churn. I'm not saying Mike P. Isn't talented, he's just not that interesting. If sheer speed and technical ability is what you like, just listen to Virgil Donati.

I know I sound like a typical judgemental 15 year old right now, but I'm going nuts with all my drummer freinds praising Mike P. I just dont see what the big deal is.


mike has an incredible amount of technicality and feel, despite what it sounds like in dt. his fills are mindblowing and there are many parts of his songs that i can barely start to decipher because of the intensity and speed that he puts into it.

you may not ever like him or see the hype, no skin off my ass. im not trying to convince you of anything, im just saying why i like him. if you listen to dream theater as a whole, try to imagine them without portnoy. the technicality and versatility just isnt there in many other drummers and he fits the band perfectly.
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Post Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:13 pm

Peart of course. Portnoy is awesome. I'm sure Portnoy would even agree. Peart is a pioneer. Peart has been and still is one of the most influential drummers to 2, going on 3 generations now.
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Post Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:08 pm

I dont see why people even consider Mike a speed drummer, Speed drumming is very lame and repetative. Mikes double bass isnt overdone, but done occasionally. And for those who think DT is the most complex, they are not, They are top 3, but they dont do it 24/7, DT actually has alot of melodic moments. If you want total Chaos listen to Spastic Ink, All they do is change time sigs every measure.
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Post Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:22 pm

I like watching both, but I'm going to say Mike Portnoy just because of his energy and spirit while he's playing. Neil Peart is very good and all, but he has one of the most stern looks on his face while he's playing, makes it look like he'd rather be somewhere else; but I know he doesn't because he's "The Professor!" I like both equally, but I like to watch Portnoy more.
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Post Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:23 pm

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RogersDrummer wrote:I've heard every single DT song there is out there, with the exception of maybe 2 or 3. I still say they sound like Judas Priest on crack. They're singer makes my stomach churn. I'm not saying Mike P. Isn't talented, he's just not that interesting. If sheer speed and technical ability is what you like, just listen to Virgil Donati.

I know I sound like a typical judgemental 15 year old right now, but I'm going nuts with all my drummer freinds praising Mike P. I just dont see what the big deal is.


mike has an incredible amount of technicality and feel, despite what it sounds like in dt. his fills are mindblowing and there are many parts of his songs that i can barely start to decipher because of the intensity and speed that he puts into it.

you may not ever like him or see the hype, no skin off my ass. im not trying to convince you of anything, im just saying why i like him. if you listen to dream theater as a whole, try to imagine them without portnoy. the technicality and versatility just isnt there in many other drummers and he fits the band perfectly.


It's no skin off my ass that you like him. I never said no one should like the guy. I'm only pointing out that his playing sounds generic to me. Again, most of his fills sound like somthing Simon Phillips already did years and years ago. Mindblowing fills arn't playing single-strokes as fast as possible around a 13 piece set. thats been done a million times and its getting rather old.

In my opinion, mindblowing is when a drummer can wail on a snare drum for 10 minutes and still keep the audience entertained.
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Post Tue May 01, 2007 2:25 am

It's really hard to say who's better. They both have their own unique style, obviously. But I agree that Mike is more entertaining to watch.
But if it weren't for Peart, Portnoy might not even be Portnoy.
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Post Tue May 01, 2007 10:56 am

i've got to hand it to portnoy for never taking a lesson in his life, but i like Peart's style better.
portnoy and peart are both fantastic drummers. they both rank up high in technical skill and creativity, but it really all depends on which band you'd rather listen to. I myself just prefer Rush over Dream Theater or Liquid Tension Experiment.
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Post Tue May 01, 2007 1:37 pm

One of my favorite bands is Rush, so I'll probably be bias towards Neil Peart... But Mike Portnoy along with Dream Theater rock.
But I don't listen to them too much. From the Youtube videos I've seen, I dig Peart's style over Portnoy's.
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Post Tue May 01, 2007 6:40 pm

RogersDrummer wrote:Neil Pert by a mile. Not only have I found him and Rush more enjoyable to listen to, but I've always liked to hear what Neil has to say about the drums, and music in general.

I've never been able to stomach Dream Theater, nor Mike Portnoy's wretched drum tone.
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I find the same interest in Neil..Reading about his journey of research and experiences that brings him to a completed lyric and such.
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