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Post Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:10 pm

I have just recently began developing my drumming with Traditional Grip. When I practice, I notice that my index finger does not really play much a part when the stick bounces.. My question is, is it more effective to use your index finger? If so, what makes it so effective? Because I feel like I have decent bounce without it. But, if there is a good reason to use it please tell me.

Also, are there any rudiments that specifically help develop Traditional Grip?

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Post Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:46 pm

Praying Hands wrote:Also, are there any rudiments that specifically help develop Traditional Grip?


Yep... All of them!
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Post Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:53 pm

zen_drummer wrote:
Praying Hands wrote:Also, are there any rudiments that specifically help develop Traditional Grip?


Yep... All of them!


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Post Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:54 pm

Ok, I will definitely continue practicing rudiments...... But can anyone answer my main question?

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Post Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:18 pm

I will.

If you use just your thumb, you lose two things. Control and speed. The index finger is used for both factors heavily. In correct grip, the finger is curled over the top of the stick, and the thumb rest on top of the first knuckle, and points straight up. This grip, which is very compact, extends the fulcrum through the wrist, making the grip very ergonomical and comfortable on a slanted drum. It's ok to use on a flat drum, but not ergonomically correct, but that's another debate.

The finger helps to propel the stick down and to control the bounce. By using just the thumb, you lose that extra boost. The stick is much more erratic when only the thumb is used. Keep the finger over the top. The stroke comes from a combination of thumb and finger, with more gradual and full strokes coming from more of a thumb feel, and with the very fast, very intricate parts coming from a finger feel. Both fingers are used to correctly stroke. Take one away, it's just sloppy technique, and bad habits will be learned that way.

The only time you would want to not use the finger is if you were trying to develop the strength of the thumb, which is a good thing. Just make sure that it's not a habit. only do that in development.

It is highly more effective to use your index finger. In fact, it's the correct technique. And the why was explained above. Speed and control. Especially speed. You will never play fast with just the thumb.

Hope this helped.

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Post Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:25 pm

Homki890 wrote:I will.

If you use just your thumb, you lose two things. Control and speed. The index finger is used for both factors heavily. In correct grip, the finger is curled over the top of the stick, and the thumb rest on top of the first knuckle, and points straight up. This grip, which is very compact, extends the fulcrum through the wrist, making the grip very ergonomical and comfortable on a slanted drum. It's ok to use on a flat drum, but not ergonomically correct, but that's another debate.

The finger helps to propel the stick down and to control the bounce. By using just the thumb, you lose that extra boost. The stick is much more erratic when only the thumb is used. Keep the finger over the top. The stroke comes from a combination of thumb and finger, with more gradual and full strokes coming from more of a thumb feel, and with the very fast, very intricate parts coming from a finger feel. Both fingers are used to correctly stroke. Take one away, it's just sloppy technique, and bad habits will be learned that way.

The only time you would want to not use the finger is if you were trying to develop the strength of the thumb, which is a good thing. Just make sure that it's not a habit. only do that in development.

It is highly more effective to use your index finger. In fact, it's the correct technique. And the why was explained above. Speed and control. Especially speed. You will never play fast with just the thumb.

Hope this helped.

Homki890



Thanks a lot for this response!

I have been practicing the way you explained it, and I'm sure i just need to get used to the feel, but it feels like it almost takes away from the bounce.. Thus, as an instict, forces my index finger to recede. It also feels like I hold the stick relatively too tight and mechanical.. Is this how it felt for you at first?

Nevertheless I will keep practising the way you explained. :)
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Post Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:56 pm

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Here's some pics of where the fingers should be. Hopefully this helps on the placement. See how the finger and thumb make a very solid fulcrum? Use both the thumba dn finger for the stroke. The finger is used mainly for speed in the faster tempos.

Hope the pics clear up some issues.

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Post Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:32 pm

Thanks a lot! The grip feels more comfortable now. :)


Now, for the practise!
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Post Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:24 am

Homki890 wrote:I will.

If you use just your thumb, you lose two things. Control and speed. The index finger is used for both factors heavily. In correct grip, the finger is curled over the top of the stick, and the thumb rest on top of the first knuckle, and points straight up. This grip, which is very compact, extends the fulcrum through the wrist, making the grip very ergonomical and comfortable on a slanted drum. It's ok to use on a flat drum, but not ergonomically correct, but that's another debate.

The finger helps to propel the stick down and to control the bounce. By using just the thumb, you lose that extra boost. The stick is much more erratic when only the thumb is used. Keep the finger over the top. The stroke comes from a combination of thumb and finger, with more gradual and full strokes coming from more of a thumb feel, and with the very fast, very intricate parts coming from a finger feel. Both fingers are used to correctly stroke. Take one away, it's just sloppy technique, and bad habits will be learned that way.

The only time you would want to not use the finger is if you were trying to develop the strength of the thumb, which is a good thing. Just make sure that it's not a habit. only do that in development.

It is highly more effective to use your index finger. In fact, it's the correct technique. And the why was explained above. Speed and control. Especially speed. You will never play fast with just the thumb.

Hope this helped.

Homki890



I agree with this 100%.
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