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Post Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:20 am

Alan_ wrote:the thing that I'm having to really slog with and slow down a lot is hand-foot combinations involving odd numbers of strokes with the feet and all the diddle combinations in stick control. working on them really slow seems to be having a huge effect on my speed tho. cool.


A really good excercise is practicing parradiddles with your hands over half-time parradiddles with your feet (and vise versa)
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Post Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:21 am

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BillRayDrums wrote:Pull your foot back farther on the pedal- like, put the ball of your foot about 2 inches from the hinge. There's a whole new area of exploration. Just because your foot fits on the pedalboard does not mean you have to adhere to a fixed position.

Try that out. Farther back= more rebound off the head AND faster speed.

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I think I'd prefer some volume over super speed that makes no sound! Cheers for the input everyone, it's not really anything I'd ever thought about till recently, might help stop me breaking pedals...
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Post Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:22 am

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I think I'd prefer some volume over super speed that makes no sound! Cheers for the input everyone, it's not really anything I'd ever thought about till recently, might help stop me breaking pedals...


The bass drum is just hooked up to a drum-o-meter, not miced or amplified
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Post Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:24 am

randomdrum wrote:
xdoseonex wrote:
BillRayDrums wrote:Pull your foot back farther on the pedal- like, put the ball of your foot about 2 inches from the hinge. There's a whole new area of exploration. Just because your foot fits on the pedalboard does not mean you have to adhere to a fixed position.

Try that out. Farther back= more rebound off the head AND faster speed.

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I think I'd prefer some volume over super speed that makes no sound! Cheers for the input everyone, it's not really anything I'd ever thought about till recently, might help stop me breaking pedals...


:roll:


...it's just not miced silly. :)
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Post Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:34 am

randomdrum wrote:
xdoseonex wrote:
BillRayDrums wrote:Pull your foot back farther on the pedal- like, put the ball of your foot about 2 inches from the hinge. There's a whole new area of exploration. Just because your foot fits on the pedalboard does not mean you have to adhere to a fixed position.

Try that out. Farther back= more rebound off the head AND faster speed.

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I think I'd prefer some volume over super speed that makes no sound! Cheers for the input everyone, it's not really anything I'd ever thought about till recently, might help stop me breaking pedals...


Yeah, well tim yeung made that mistake and hes at like #22 dispite his awesome speed. I knew what i was doing. I wouldnt be caught tapping like that during a performance.
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Post Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:37 am

xdoseonex wrote:Yeah, well tim yeung made that mistake and hes at like #22 dispite his awesome speed. I knew what i was doing. I wouldnt be caught tapping like that during a performance.


I thought they didn't let you tap or buzz?
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Post Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:53 am

Mitchell? wrote:
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xdoseonex wrote:
BillRayDrums wrote:Pull your foot back farther on the pedal- like, put the ball of your foot about 2 inches from the hinge. There's a whole new area of exploration. Just because your foot fits on the pedalboard does not mean you have to adhere to a fixed position.

Try that out. Farther back= more rebound off the head AND faster speed.

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I think I'd prefer some volume over super speed that makes no sound! Cheers for the input everyone, it's not really anything I'd ever thought about till recently, might help stop me breaking pedals...


:roll:


...it's just not miced silly. :)


It's also a bass drum in a big hall! That thing should sound huge and loud and you actually can't hear it at all, whether or not it is amplified isn't relevant really...

And no offence to anyone, I'll try not to have an opinion in future :)



ps I edited my post cos it sounded mean and I didn't intend for it to :)
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Post Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:09 am

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xdoseonex wrote:Yeah, well tim yeung made that mistake and hes at like #22 dispite his awesome speed. I knew what i was doing. I wouldnt be caught tapping like that during a performance.


I thought they didn't let you tap or buzz?


randomdrum wrote:I think I'd prefer some volume over super speed that makes no sound! Cheers for the input everyone, it's not really anything I'd ever thought about till recently, might help stop me breaking pedals...

thats the post i was refering to
I didnt say anything about tapping or buzzing.
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Post Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:13 am

xdoseonex wrote:
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xdoseonex wrote:Yeah, well tim yeung made that mistake and hes at like #22 dispite his awesome speed. I knew what i was doing. I wouldnt be caught tapping like that during a performance.


I thought they didn't let you tap or buzz?


I didnt say anything about tapping or buzzing. I was talking about the volume.


That's not what I ment, I was just wondering where they draw the line or if you saw anyone get DQ'd for it
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Post Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:17 am

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xdoseonex wrote:Yeah, well tim yeung made that mistake and hes at like #22 dispite his awesome speed. I knew what i was doing. I wouldnt be caught tapping like that during a performance.


I thought they didn't let you tap or buzz?


I didnt say anything about tapping or buzzing. I was talking about the volume.


That's not what I ment, I was just wondering where they draw the line or if you saw anyone get DQ'd for it


You buzz your out. But that it. as long as your playing single strokes it counts. I imagine it could get you a point where your hitting so soft that the trigger won't pick it up. but if you can play fast THAT soft, hey, that would be even more impressive
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Post Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:22 am

i used to let it stay buried, but now i let it bounce and fly...
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Post Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:25 am

randomdrum wrote:
Mitchell? wrote:
randomdrum wrote:
xdoseonex wrote:
BillRayDrums wrote:Pull your foot back farther on the pedal- like, put the ball of your foot about 2 inches from the hinge. There's a whole new area of exploration. Just because your foot fits on the pedalboard does not mean you have to adhere to a fixed position.

Try that out. Farther back= more rebound off the head AND faster speed.

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I think I'd prefer some volume over super speed that makes no sound! Cheers for the input everyone, it's not really anything I'd ever thought about till recently, might help stop me breaking pedals...


:roll:


...it's just not miced silly. :)


It's also a bass drum in a big hall! That thing should sound huge and loud and you actually can't hear it at all, whether or not it is amplified isn't relevant really...

And no offence to anyone, I'll try not to have an opinion in future :)



ps I edited my post cos it sounded mean and I didn't intend for it to :)


for this to work, triggers are needed
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Post Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:30 am

Back to whether you bury the beater or not.

Everyone here seems to let the beater rebound. Which is good and all, but I just want to say that leaving the beater in the head isn't wrong. It's just different. I've seen Peter Erskine and Dave Weckl do it. Just so he's not in the same sentence Mike Johnston too. LOL. But it's just a different sound. Leaving the beater there gives you a more staccato sound and some people want that.

I'm still trying different things, but whatever Mike teaches I'll probably do cause that guy is awesome. But I'm more worried about a powerful bass drum sound than speed. Ideally I'd like both though, lol.

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Post Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:34 am

yeah vinnie colaiuta drives the beater into the head and leaves it there.
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Post Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:49 am

I leave it there, the main reason I ask is cos I've been told this may be why I keep breaking pedals...I dunno what else it could be! I'm gonna try learn this anyway just cos I'm sure it'll help with my foot control etc :)
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