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Post Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:27 pm

i cant do a drumroll for shit.
ive just started playing the drums and i know its essential to know how to do a drum roll.
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Post Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:51 pm

Work on regular hand speed at first.

If you can already pull off some pretty fast single strokes, then try rolls.

Rolls rely on you using the rebound of the stick off the head to complete a second or third stroke without using your muscles (except to control it). A double stroke roll is when you do one stroke, use the rebound for a second stroke, then do another stroke on the other hand, use the rebound for a second stroke, and repeat.

Look on youtube for lessons too, by the way.
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Post Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:39 pm

The first thing you need to look at is your grip.
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Post Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:56 pm

do a single buzz hit with your right hand, then with your left. get them both to sustain for the exact same amount of time. when you have it perfectly even then your ready to work on your press rolls
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Post Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:00 pm

i can do press rolls but not that fast, still sounds like a roll but its not as fast as the ones on youtube.
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Post Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:10 am

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Post Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:34 pm

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That is one of the poorest examples of a proper double technique.

First of all, he switches technique halfway through the video. Secondly, there is WAY too much arm motion to achieve what he's trying to accomplish. Third, the accent is on the FIRST hit, not the second. An accent on the second stroke will allow for a cleaner sounding roll.

This is a video on Two-Stroke Moeller, and it's a not good one either.

DAMN it I wish I had a good camera with a good mic. Then I could just show. But I can't. And when I'm more awake than I am now, I'll write down what I can about Roll technique.

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Post Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:50 am

The fact that you seem to think you're the most technically proficient drummer on the planet never ceases to make my laugh. :lol:

Here, let's see what a direct student of Sanford Moeller has to say...

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I'll be hot damned, it's exact same thing. You gonna sit there and say that you know more about this technique than Jim Chapin or that yours is more technically proficient?



Here's how you can apply that to a double-stroke roll. What, you mean the one technique you're able to use isn't the only technique? The hell you say!

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Yeah dude, I'm laying the sarcasm on really thick. Had you not approached the topic like you did, I wouldn't be this sarcastic with you. I know you think you know a lot because you're a music major and in drum corps, but dude you far from know everything and what you know is far from the only correct technique. You only gain knowledge when you understand how little you actually know. :)


(by the way, that isn't me so you totally missed out on what you thought was your chance to rag on me. :lol:)
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Post Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:08 am

Homki890 wrote:
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That is one of the poorest examples of a proper double technique.

First of all, he switches technique halfway through the video. Secondly, there is WAY too much arm motion to achieve what he's trying to accomplish. Third, the accent is on the FIRST hit, not the second. An accent on the second stroke will allow for a cleaner sounding roll.

This is a video on Two-Stroke Moeller, and it's a not good one either.

DAMN it I wish I had a good camera with a good mic. Then I could just show. But I can't. And when I'm more awake than I am now, I'll write down what I can about Roll technique.

Homki890


weret you suposed to give everyone of the forum video drum lessons? I want mine on extremem metal technique :wink:
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Post Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:42 am

Nothing wrong with Moeller doubles, but personally I don't like to rely too much on rebound when I'm double stroking, so I use the open/close or push/pull technique for my doubles, here's a video of the tech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9uu6-Dm8lw

You don't have to adopt this guy's grip though. Basically you make the first stroke with your wrist, as the stick strikes the drum you open your hand and 'accept' the rebound by opening your fingers, then you simply close your fingers in to create the second stroke.

This tech give's the most even sounding double stroke roll IMHO, and you can then take it even further and apply the technique to single strokes to get super fast single stroke rolls...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM_QOSvJJSo&feature=user
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Post Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:53 am

Ah, there we go. Share a technique. :)

I like the push/pull techique and use it often.
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Post Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:54 am

those chapin vids are great!
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Post Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:09 am

I'm not even going to dignify myself to quote your post SGarrett. I'll respond to other posts first.

xdoseonex, Yeah, I wanted to. No camera hurts though. Maybe over the summer if I can get my shit worked out over here.

Funk Pipe, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Moeller Doubles. My post was towards the video, not the technique. I prefer Drop-Catch as well, I feel it allows for a much cleaner roll with minimal motion. I was going to hop back on and try to write it out, but its a good video on the technique. So, work for me is saved.

SGarrett, Do you seriously have it in for me? Seems like almost every other post I make around here, you come and knock me down. If I didn't respect your Mod status, I'd have a few more choice words, but I wish to stay, and having you cry off to the other mods because I called a bad name and getting me kicked off, I don't think I'd like that.

I'm not the most technical drummer in the world. Far from it. There, I said it. Happy now? I will never claim to be the most technical drummer in the world. I like to think that I'm fairly good at playing technical stuff, and I'll try to help people out. That video that you first posted was bad. It was. It is NOT the same as the Chapin vids you posted. If it was, the accent would be on the second beat, not the first. And of Course Jim Chapin is going to play Moeller perfectly. It's Jim Chapin, one of the worlds most technically proficient Drumset player in the world. He's a master at Moeller, and it works for him. If you want my full position on Moeller, then here it is.

I do NOT like Moeller Singles. I think that a single stroke roll should not have an accent pattern. I do, however, like to use Moeller for accents. There are other ways I use, and it differs on what I use depending on what speed, but Moeller for accents is a good technique. Moeller Doubles is too much work for what is trying to be accomplished. Drop-Catch has less motion. I use that, it's somewhat easier to do. It's harder to master, but once it is mastered, it's easier.

And hell no I'm not going to sit around and say that I'm better than Jim Chapin. I'm no where near as good as Jim Chapin. How in the world did you deduce that from my post? If you had read it correctly, my post was towards the video, not the technique. Yes, the technique in the video was not on par with what it could or should be, but the second video that YOU posted confirmed mine. Jim Chapin said, himself, that the second stroke should be louder than the first. In the first video you posted, it was not the case.

And I smile at the fact that when I criticize a video you post, you instantly go for a Chapin video to save yourself. How admirable.

Frankly SGarrett, you piss me off sometimes. I don't know what it is you have against me, but whatever it is, I'd be nice if you sometimes actually tried to make a serious post, not a sarcastic one. That's what sophomores in High School do. Act older than that.

Homki890

Oh, and one more thing. I know it's not you in the video. The guy in there is from Russia. Never once did I assume that it was you. I've seen your picture before. You look nothing like that guy.

Don't Assume Shit.
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Post Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:51 pm

You never cease to make me laugh. :lol:

Try not acting like an arrogant jerk once in a while. You'll find that you get different responses, because if there's one thing you'll learn in life it's that it isn't what you say it's how you say it. Maybe look at how you phrase things because I'm not the only person who sees this from you. Why don't you re-read what you typed and how you typed it? At least I'm fully capable of admitting that I'm an asshole, you just sit there and play the victim role. ;)
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Post Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:30 pm

Hey Blink...
here's a good one from Chapin on doubles

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