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Post Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:23 pm

I'm slowly learning fills and makeing sure i play them solid before i move on to more advanced fills. I just have a question on useing my metrenome while playing fills. every click represents 4 sixteenth notes right? so if im trying to play a 16th fill all the way around my set. There would be one click for the snare, one for each rack tom, and one for my floor tom. Is that correct? Also for triplets and useing my metrenome,, would it be every click i play 3 notes ? any knowledge about fills or triplets would be greatly appricated.
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Post Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:46 pm

What kind of metronome are you using? Typically the clicks are quarter notes unless you a metronome capable of supplying the different subdivisions, like a Rhythm Watch or Dr. Beat.
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Post Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:59 pm

It just has a knob where i can change the speed so i'd assume it just a normal one.
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Post Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:15 pm

Exile wrote:It just has a knob where i can change the speed so i'd assume it just a normal one.



for one like that..
click = 1
click = 2
click = 3
click = 4

so your first click go 1e+a
second click 2e+a
so on and so forth

like garret said, unless you have a dr. beat that has different click sounds for each note
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Post Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:18 pm

What about triplets and playing them on the high hat? is it alternateing hands like.... R L R L R L R L R? is that correct? and using my metrnome it would be CLICK= R L R CLICK= L R L is that right? Thanks
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Post Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:31 pm

Yep. :)
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Post Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:23 pm

I find triplets to be very difficult. Probably because counting is difficult for me. I'm a drummer that has a hard time counting, that just seems rediculous to me. I always get into a groove and just stop counting in my head. Lame. But my point is I really have to count out loud on triplets to keep them straight. 1 - trip - let - 2 - trip - let etc etc etc... I feel quarters, eighths, and sixteens just fine, but not counting really rears it's ugly heads on triplets. I suppose anytime I pick up a pair of sticks and start playing I better be counting and get into a better habbit of counting, even if it's something I've played a million times.
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Post Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:48 am

You have to count out-loud while you're in playing in order to develop your natural clock.

A fun excercise is to set your click to quarter note=40-50bpm and go from quarter notes, to eighth notes, to triplets, to 16ths and back down. Something I pick up from Bill Ray is to keep that going straight through groups of 5, 6, 7, and 8 (32nds) and play each group as alternating singles then double strokes...the odd groups are fairly challenging. I go through at least four measures of each grouping before moving on to the next one. That alone has significantly improved my playing.
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Post Sat Mar 29, 2008 4:32 pm

This leads me to anthor question about time. If im playing something thats in 6/8 time, counting that out would be ONE AND TWO AND THREE AND FOUR AND FIVE AND SIX AND

How is it you count out loud,while playing fast? seems hard to me. I just feel it insted.
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Post Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:27 pm

You count 6/8...1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

The way you learn how to play fast is by counting while you're playing slowly. Don't be overly concerned with how fast you're playing, be concerned with how you're playing fast. Energy flows where your attention goes.
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Post Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:41 pm

Another way to count a fast 6/8 is to count it as 2 using a triplet feel.

For example...

1 - - 2 - -

(1 2 3 4 5 6)

Dont know if this makes any sence, but a grade school music teacher taught me that.
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Post Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:58 pm

to compliment a metronome.....this might sound stupid but it works for me - give it a shot and see how it goes.

Play along to JUST hip-hop. The beats are simple, tons of room for fills and experimenting while having a repetitive/constant beat in the background. Not to mention, the nature of most snares in R&B/Rap/Hip-Hop are sooooo crisp that it is like having a click track :D

It's a nice change, for me anyway. I have a crap load of instrumental albums (Timbaland and Dr. Dre, especially) that are even better 'cus you don't have all the vocals - even less distracting. One better, throw the tracks in a program called VirtualDJ and you can set any tempo you want AND it has a built in metronome/click-tracks. AWESOME play-back software.





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Post Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:36 pm

Scrogs wrote:Another way to count a fast 6/8 is to count it as 2 using a triplet feel.

For example...

1 - - 2 - -

(1 2 3 4 5 6)

Dont know if this makes any sence, but a grade school music teacher taught me that.


You mean like 8th note triplets in 2/4...1-trip-let, 2-triplet, 1-trip-let, 2-trip-let, etc.?

I equate almost all of these to an 8th note triplet feel.
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Post Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:30 am

SGarrett wrote:
Scrogs wrote:Another way to count a fast 6/8 is to count it as 2 using a triplet feel.

For example...

1 - - 2 - -

(1 2 3 4 5 6)

Dont know if this makes any sence, but a grade school music teacher taught me that.


You mean like 8th note triplets in 2/4...1-trip-let, 2-triplet, 1-trip-let, 2-trip-let, etc.?

I equate almost all of these to an 8th note triplet feel.


I'm not sure actually, sounds like your right. My theory is a little weak these days.



Exile wrote:This leads me to anthor question about time. If im playing something thats in 6/8 time, counting that out would be ONE AND TWO AND THREE AND FOUR AND FIVE AND SIX AND

How is it you count out loud,while playing fast? seems hard to me. I just feel it insted.


I do the same thing, I just feel it, but my brain is thinkin 2 instead of 6 when its fast.

As far as counting is concerned in general, the only time I count anymore is when the band is writing a song and it comes
to a part that requires it, or we trying to fix something, after awhile of playing the part, you just feel it.

Another thing in reference to playing triplets to a metranome, there is a couple ways of doing this and maybe one of the guys that write
out music can post it to be less confusing, but you can play actual triplets in 4/4, then also you can play quarter or eight notes in 4/4 accenting
every third hit. Both sound like triplets but are different.
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Post Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:50 pm

Posted a reply as it's own thread, due to it's length. It's pretty simple to find.

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