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Post Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:16 am

Hey everyone, I need some help getting left hand traditional down.
Can anyone maybe show me a picture or write up how to grip it properly?

Thanks in advance. :mrgreen:
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Post Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:13 am

I don't really play trad, but here's a great video from DML member of the year, ladies and gentlemen the drum whore himeslf, Bill Ray.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLOsohq89ZU
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Post Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:21 pm

There are many ways to play traditional with the left hand. Like you can have the stick rest on different parts of your ring finger. The most popular is to have it rest on the top portion of your ring finger, sort of by the nail. You can also google traditional grip to find a write up about how to hold it.
Heres a picture of it.


<a href="http://s172.photobucket.com/albums/w18/billywilly92/?action=view&current=leftgrip.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w18/billywilly92/leftgrip.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
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Post Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:58 pm

Oh! Cool.

Thanks guys. Got a better idea now. :D
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Post Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:29 am

My advice to you. The stick is an extension of the thumb. I see several play tightly with the hand wrapped around the stick causing a very chocked sound once hitting the drum.(No matter the style you are playing the drum is still an ionstrument and you want to achive the best sound available!!!) I see many people using the wrist to develope speed but once again the wrist can only move so fast and when using wrist you are using more muscle than finess.

Two ways I teach this concept.

1.) Set a pop/beer can down and pick it up with the left hand as if you were going to drink. This is the same motion of a down strock with the stick in your hand. (The thumb works as a elastic band when the stick is picked up with the hand but on the downward motion is controlled and forced by the thumb.) If you turn the hand you will spill the drink. So think of this concept while you are playing. Do not turn the hand.

2.) You must be loose while playing. You can not be productive if your arms are to close to your body especially if playing with a traditional grip. Think of it as shaking someones hand using your left hand. The hand is straigt up and down. If you think about it, shaking someons hand is cross ways from your body not straight ahead. If you think of this concept while you are playing, your hands should never be straight a head with your sticks but rather meeting in the middle if you know what I mean.

I have played traditional all my life and seen many bad habits as corrected many bad habits myself through sincere break down of all movements and generating therories to pass onto others that will allow them to skip the stage of needing to break the bad habits. ;0). One thing is for certain, it is all fingers and thumb when it comes down to exicution, speed and control.

Hope this may help you in your efforts.

Cheers,
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Post Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:30 am

BIGSTIXMCCOY wrote:My advice to you. The stick is an extension of the thumb. I see several play tightly with the hand wrapped around the stick causing a very chocked sound once hitting the drum.(No matter the style you are playing the drum is still an ionstrument and you want to achive the best sound available!!!) I see many people using the wrist to develope speed but once again the wrist can only move so fast and when using wrist you are using more muscle than finess.

Two ways I teach this concept.

1.) Set a pop/beer can down and pick it up with the left hand as if you were going to drink. This is the same motion of a down strock with the stick in your hand. (The thumb works as a elastic band when the stick is picked up with the hand but on the downward motion is controlled and forced by the thumb.) If you turn the hand you will spill the drink. So think of this concept while you are playing. Do not turn the hand.

2.) You must be loose while playing. You can not be productive if your arms are to close to your body especially if playing with a traditional grip. Think of it as shaking someones hand using your left hand. The hand is straigt up and down. If you think about it, shaking someons hand is cross ways from your body not straight ahead. If you think of this concept while you are playing, your hands should never be straight a head with your sticks but rather meeting in the middle if you know what I mean.

I have played traditional all my life and seen many bad habits as corrected many bad habits myself through sincere break down of all movements and generating therories to pass onto others that will allow them to skip the stage of needing to break the bad habits. ;0). One thing is for certain, it is all fingers and thumb when it comes down to exicution, speed and control.

Hope this may help you in your efforts.

Cheers,
Eric D. McCoy


That's one technique. There are also Moeller strokes.
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Post Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:20 pm

I've been playing trad grip since I started playing jazz drums..... I started out with horrible technique and over the past 6 years have made many corrections.

one of my teachers told me to hold your hand and wrist like you are about to shake someone's hand and just slip the stick in there.

My main problem was that I would keep flipping my wrist so that the bottom was up and this tip really helped me
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:53 pm

billywilly92 wrote:There are many ways to play traditional with the left hand. Like you can have the stick rest on different parts of your ring finger. The most popular is to have it rest on the top portion of your ring finger, sort of by the nail. You can also google traditional grip to find a write up about how to hold it.
Heres a picture of it.


<a href="http://s172.photobucket.com/albums/w18/billywilly92/?action=view&current=leftgrip.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w18/billywilly92/leftgrip.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>


Wrong.

There is one way to play Traditional correctly.

Anything else will hurt your hand in the long run.

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Post Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:53 am

BIGSTIXMCCOY wrote:My advice to you. The stick is an extension of the thumb. I see several play tightly with the hand wrapped around the stick causing a very chocked sound once hitting the drum.(No matter the style you are playing the drum is still an ionstrument and you want to achive the best sound available!!!) I see many people using the wrist to develope speed but once again the wrist can only move so fast and when using wrist you are using more muscle than finess.

Two ways I teach this concept.

1.) Set a pop/beer can down and pick it up with the left hand as if you were going to drink. This is the same motion of a down strock with the stick in your hand. (The thumb works as a elastic band when the stick is picked up with the hand but on the downward motion is controlled and forced by the thumb.) If you turn the hand you will spill the drink. So think of this concept while you are playing. Do not turn the hand.

2.) You must be loose while playing. You can not be productive if your arms are to close to your body especially if playing with a traditional grip. Think of it as shaking someones hand using your left hand. The hand is straigt up and down. If you think about it, shaking someons hand is cross ways from your body not straight ahead. If you think of this concept while you are playing, your hands should never be straight a head with your sticks but rather meeting in the middle if you know what I mean.

I have played traditional all my life and seen many bad habits as corrected many bad habits myself through sincere break down of all movements and generating therories to pass onto others that will allow them to skip the stage of needing to break the bad habits. ;0). One thing is for certain, it is all fingers and thumb when it comes down to exicution, speed and control.

Hope this may help you in your efforts.

Cheers,
Eric D. McCoy


Hey, thanks a lot for the help, Eric. I'll use all of this to fix the grip up.
Course, I need to solve the playing with the arms kinda far from the body... Only way I can do that is sit real far from the set cause my arms are really long.
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