Some of the Ludwig Standards sound great, some are pretty awful... it's a crapshoot.Steaky wrote:I'm with Zen on this. I guess maybe in 30 years time people will be selling vintage Pearl Exports. I wonder what the sound is like on these shells though, I've never played a standard before? Apparently the premier olympics from the 60's where made with mahogany but with cheap hardware but sound fantastic these days because of aging.
Steaky wrote:Just because it's old doesn't make it a ..........."Vintage" if you know what I mean.
zen_drummer wrote:Steaky wrote:Just because it's old doesn't make it a ..........."Vintage" if you know what I mean.
It is important to realize that the drums that become collectable are almost always top of the line models. "Vintage" pearl exports were the entry level... won't really go up in value over time. Rarity is often the deciding factor... cheap imports were really common no matter when they were made.
Look at Ludwig drums from the 20's and 30's... 6 lug drums (Pioneer model) are worth a small fraction of what 8 lug drums sell for, and 10 lug drums are at the top. Back when they were new, a 6 lug pioneer drum was worth roughly 30 bucks, a black beauty was 100 dollars. Today, that same pioneer snare is worth 300 bucks in average condition, the black beauty is 2500-3500 dollars. This is because they made tens of thousands of those pioneer drums, and the black beauty was a few hundred per year, or less.
There are about a trillion pearl export kits out there in the world. Not very likely they will go up in value by much.
The Ludwig Standards are certainly more rare than Pearl Exports, but the fat that they were deemed "beginner" drums makes them less desirable to a collector.
There's another factor as well, which is worth mentioning... for some reason American Made Drums seem to go up in value at a MUCH higher rate than imports, even if the imports are top of the line models. Vintage Sonor and Premier kits don't have a very solid collector value. Yamaha Recording Customs should be highly desirable based on quality, but there isn't much of a premium put on them as collectables. I would think that early TAMA Artstar drums would be a soild investment, but the value on those is lagging as well. It's the same way with vintage guitars... the American makers are through the roof, but even the highest quality imports seem to have very little, if any, collector value.
Vintage drums are trailing vintage guitars when it comes to the rate of appreciation. As 50's and 60's fender stratocasters have exceeded the 6 figure mark in some cases, there are NO vintage drums that have enjoyed this level of interest, and that tells me that the guy that starts hoarding 1960's Ludwig Kits will eventually have a hUGE pay day for his investment. (Classics... not club dates or standards)
I would suggest buying every Top-Line Ludwig Kit I could find from that era, especially in rare colors (Green Sparkle, Burgandy Sparkle, Citrus Mod, Pyschadelic Orange, Vistalite Tivoli) and if you can't do that, buy WOOD snares from the 60's and 70's, 8 or 10 lug, in rare finishes... heck... in ANY finish. Most of the kits from that era came with chrome snares, and collectors want matching snares, even if they were not original to the kit.
Another thing worth collecting is FLOOR TOMS from that era, because there were MANY kits in the early catalogues that did not include that "accessory" drum. If you have the floor tom that matches an existing kit, you can practially name your price, especially if it is a 14x14 in a rare finish. Be on the lookout for 18" kicks as well. Extra holes and refinishes are death as far as value is concerned. Look the drums over CAREFULLY!
Because they lacked market-share in the 60's and 70's, therefore they are rare, Swiv-o-matic era Rogers drums are on the rise already... Camco and Round Badge Gretsch are making their move, especially with 18" kicks... Slingerland and Ludwig from the 60's and 70's are more common and are a bit slow to get rolling, but these true vintage collectables WILL make a solid move up in value in YOUR lifetime... will you have invested wisely?
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