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Post Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:42 am

Howepirate wrote:
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Rockula! wrote:
dwtoast72 wrote:Use a MIC!! It'll help you develope your playing technique. You want that perfect sounding kick??? Then tune it up nice and fat, and kick the shit out of it until you get every kicked note to sound the same....... DON'T CHEAT YOURSELF!!!


I stated this in the other forum but I will repeat it here due to your zealotry
There are certain sounds that people who (obviously) do not play the same type of music you do, cannot achieve because the sounds are opposed to each other (tuning wise)
The low note of the bass drum is hard to achieve while simultaneously producing the clicky sound that defines the notes at high speeds
Therefore, they need to use triggers
Maybe you should do more research before you go off on something you don't fully understand

How about a smaller kick. Can't pull it off with a 24? or 22? get a 20. Triggers are an easy way out. Jason Bittner of Shadows Fall said it best......it just can't remember what exactly he said :D He has now issues pulliing his stuff off (just an example)


Jason Bittner is fucking slow.

....just an example :wink:
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Post Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:56 am

dwtoast72 wrote:
Howepirate wrote:
dwtoast72 wrote:
Rockula! wrote:
dwtoast72 wrote:Use a MIC!! It'll help you develope your playing technique. You want that perfect sounding kick??? Then tune it up nice and fat, and kick the shit out of it until you get every kicked note to sound the same....... DON'T CHEAT YOURSELF!!!


I stated this in the other forum but I will repeat it here due to your zealotry
There are certain sounds that people who (obviously) do not play the same type of music you do, cannot achieve because the sounds are opposed to each other (tuning wise)
The low note of the bass drum is hard to achieve while simultaneously producing the clicky sound that defines the notes at high speeds
Therefore, they need to use triggers
Maybe you should do more research before you go off on something you don't fully understand

How about a smaller kick. Can't pull it off with a 24? or 22? get a 20. Triggers are an easy way out. Jason Bittner of Shadows Fall said it best......it just can't remember what exactly he said :D He has now issues pulliing his stuff off (just an example)


Jason Bittner is fucking slow.

....just an example :wink:

Your proving my point now. Have you ever heard 255 bpm?

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^sounds like shit
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Post Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:02 am

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Howepirate wrote:Basic Piezo trigger: DDRum, Roland, Or axis e-kits if you have axis pedals.

A module to supply the sample

And a way to connect it to an outward source for sound.



Thanks man!

Not starting an argument, but this trigger business only takes away your ability to progress as a drummer. Force yourself to be a better drummer. Practice!!!! Use a MIC!! It'll help you develope your playing technique. You want that perfect sounding kick??? Then tune it up nice and fat, and kick the shit out of it until you get every kicked note to sound the same....... DON'T CHEAT YOURSELF!!!


One thing about triggers are they keep you on your toes, and add to your ability to progress as a drummer. By getting triggers you will force yourself to be a better drummer. and greatly help you to develope your playing technique. You want that perfect sounding kick? use a trigger. They make you play PERFECTLY or else everyone hears it. slip up on a bass drum hit? hit a double instead of a single? everyones gonna hear it. rest your beater against your drum head by accedent? people are gonna hear it. so by getting triggers you will force yourself become a cleaner player because any mistakes on your kicks are gonna shine through for everyone to hear, including yourself. plus a mic cant do the job of a trigger no matter how good your sound guy is. the mic is still picking up the actual sound of the drum. so in short triggers are a the way to go if your good enough to play with them. i think dwtoast is really confused. triggers will train you to be a tighter player not a worse one. but dont start that tapping bullshit. noone likes a tapper. in wfd video i hit softly and my beater distance is pretty short. but thats bcause i'm going for strictly speed. its important to use power in your strokes and not rely on the triggers. when i play normall my beater distance is twice what it is in that video, and i hit twice as hard. and i can still hit the same speeds. dont let anyone tell you not to get triggers. they cant be substututed. I'm accually kinda confused about the above quote. there no difference in my playing if i'm playing triggered or not. other than me making a effort to pay cleaner while im using triggers. you dont hit softer when using triggers. or play any different at all. so how are triggers gonna take away from your ability to play as a drummer? can you flip the switch on the trigger and suddenly be good again? i'v never had sticking a pad on my bass drum make me a worse player. but i'v sure had it make me pay attention to every stroke.
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Post Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:42 am

Howepirate wrote:
dwtoast72 wrote:
Howepirate wrote:
dwtoast72 wrote:
Rockula! wrote:
dwtoast72 wrote:Use a MIC!! It'll help you develope your playing technique. You want that perfect sounding kick??? Then tune it up nice and fat, and kick the shit out of it until you get every kicked note to sound the same....... DON'T CHEAT YOURSELF!!!


I stated this in the other forum but I will repeat it here due to your zealotry
There are certain sounds that people who (obviously) do not play the same type of music you do, cannot achieve because the sounds are opposed to each other (tuning wise)
The low note of the bass drum is hard to achieve while simultaneously producing the clicky sound that defines the notes at high speeds
Therefore, they need to use triggers
Maybe you should do more research before you go off on something you don't fully understand

How about a smaller kick. Can't pull it off with a 24? or 22? get a 20. Triggers are an easy way out. Jason Bittner of Shadows Fall said it best......it just can't remember what exactly he said :D He has now issues pulliing his stuff off (just an example)


Jason Bittner is fucking slow.

....just an example :wink:

[quote="Howepirate"] Your proving my point now. Have you ever heard 255 bpm? quote]
So, this guy is using dw5000s, not AXIS!! and NO TRIGGERS!!?? I think you're proving my point.... Apparently he had the discipline to practice.
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Post Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:57 am

xdoseonex wrote:One thing about triggers are they keep you on your toes, and add to your ability to progress as a drummer. By getting triggers you will force yourself to be a better drummer. and greatly help you to develope your playing technique. You want that perfect sounding kick? use a trigger. They make you play PERFECTLY or else everyone hears it. slip up on a bass drum hit? hit a double instead of a single? everyones gonna hear it. rest your beater against your drum head by accedent? people are gonna hear it. so by getting triggers you will force yourself become a cleaner player because any mistakes on your kicks are gonna shine through for everyone to hear, including yourself. plus a mic cant do the job of a trigger no matter how good your sound guy is. the mic is still picking up the actual sound of the drum. so in short triggers are a the way to go if your good enough to play with them. i think dwtoast is really confused. triggers will train you to be a tighter player not a worse one. but dont start that tapping bullshit. noone likes a tapper. in wfd video i hit softly and my beater distance is pretty short. but thats bcause i'm going for strictly speed. its important to use power in your strokes and not rely on the triggers. when i play normall my beater distance is twice what it is in that video, and i hit twice as hard. and i can still hit the same speeds. dont let anyone tell you not to get triggers. they cant be substututed. I'm accually kinda confused about the above quote. there no difference in my playing if i'm playing triggered or not. other than me making a effort to pay cleaner while im using triggers. you dont hit softer when using triggers. or play any different at all. so how are triggers gonna take away from your ability to play as a drummer? can you flip the switch on the trigger and suddenly be good again? i'v never had sticking a pad on my bass drum make me a worse player. but i'v sure had it make me pay attention to every stroke.
Remember:
Metal doesnt get its unique sound from dynamics the way other music does. it gets its sound from consistancy.

That tapping shit is what I'm getting at.... I'm NOT.......CONFUSED!!! I happen to have a different and more "analogist" point of view, if you get my drift.... The "PERFECT" playing you're refering to is a good aspect of the trigger, I will not sit here and deny that there are bad points as well as good points on the trigger score sheet. On the point about the mic, you initially NEED a MIC; do you not?? Or do you download the kickdrum sample :?: As far as your "video" goes (I haven't seen it, but I'l take your word for it) you aperently do not need triggers for the sake of speed if you can reach both speed and volume. Metal doesn't get it's unique sound from a bass drum, by the way.
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Post Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:11 am

Howepirate wrote:
dwtoast72 wrote:
Howepirate wrote:
dwtoast72 wrote:
Rockula! wrote:
dwtoast72 wrote:Use a MIC!! It'll help you develope your playing technique. You want that perfect sounding kick??? Then tune it up nice and fat, and kick the shit out of it until you get every kicked note to sound the same....... DON'T CHEAT YOURSELF!!!


I stated this in the other forum but I will repeat it here due to your zealotry
There are certain sounds that people who (obviously) do not play the same type of music you do, cannot achieve because the sounds are opposed to each other (tuning wise)
The low note of the bass drum is hard to achieve while simultaneously producing the clicky sound that defines the notes at high speeds
Therefore, they need to use triggers
Maybe you should do more research before you go off on something you don't fully understand

How about a smaller kick. Can't pull it off with a 24? or 22? get a 20. Triggers are an easy way out. Jason Bittner of Shadows Fall said it best......it just can't remember what exactly he said :D He has now issues pulliing his stuff off (just an example)


Jason Bittner is fucking slow.

....just an example :wink:

Your proving my point now. Have you ever heard 255 bpm?

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^sounds like shit
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dwtoast, maybe you shoud have a second look at howpirate's videos eh? i think he summed up the thread haha.
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Post Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:53 am

his point was that when you you watch the video of bret baddorf playing without triggers it doesnt sound anywher near as clean and percise as the one with triggers although hes a sick drumer and his foot technique is awesome, at those speeds, unless you have triggers, the bass drum hits kind of mush together because of the low frequency of the bass drum.
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Post Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:11 am

Howepirate wrote:
dwtoast72 wrote:
Rockula! wrote:
dwtoast72 wrote:Use a MIC!! It'll help you develope your playing technique. You want that perfect sounding kick??? Then tune it up nice and fat, and kick the shit out of it until you get every kicked note to sound the same....... DON'T CHEAT YOURSELF!!!


I stated this in the other forum but I will repeat it here due to your zealotry
There are certain sounds that people who (obviously) do not play the same type of music you do, cannot achieve because the sounds are opposed to each other (tuning wise)
The low note of the bass drum is hard to achieve while simultaneously producing the clicky sound that defines the notes at high speeds
Therefore, they need to use triggers
Maybe you should do more research before you go off on something you don't fully understand

How about a smaller kick. Can't pull it off with a 24? or 22? get a 20. Triggers are an easy way out. Jason Bittner of Shadows Fall said it best......it just can't remember what exactly he said :D He has now issues pulliing his stuff off (just an example)


Jason Bittner is fucking slow.


Amen, he thinks he's kicking ass doing 180BPM, lawl...
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Post Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:13 am

xdoseonex wrote:his point was that when you you watch the video of bret baddorf playing without triggers it doesnt sound anywher near as clean and percise as the one with triggers although hes a sick drumer and his foot technique is awesome, at those speeds, unless you have triggers, the bass drum hits kind of mush together because of the low frequency of the bass drum.


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Post Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:14 am

dahlgrendrummer wrote:
Howepirate wrote:
dwtoast72 wrote:
Rockula! wrote:
dwtoast72 wrote:Use a MIC!! It'll help you develope your playing technique. You want that perfect sounding kick??? Then tune it up nice and fat, and kick the shit out of it until you get every kicked note to sound the same....... DON'T CHEAT YOURSELF!!!


I stated this in the other forum but I will repeat it here due to your zealotry
There are certain sounds that people who (obviously) do not play the same type of music you do, cannot achieve because the sounds are opposed to each other (tuning wise)
The low note of the bass drum is hard to achieve while simultaneously producing the clicky sound that defines the notes at high speeds
Therefore, they need to use triggers
Maybe you should do more research before you go off on something you don't fully understand

How about a smaller kick. Can't pull it off with a 24? or 22? get a 20. Triggers are an easy way out. Jason Bittner of Shadows Fall said it best......it just can't remember what exactly he said :D He has now issues pulliing his stuff off (just an example)


Jason Bittner is fucking slow.


Amen, he thinks he's kicking ass doing 180BPM, lawl...


It's not that he's slow that makes him suck.......
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Post Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:24 am

It certainly doesn't help him either, hahaha
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Post Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:52 pm

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dahlgrendrummer wrote:
Howepirate wrote:
dwtoast72 wrote:
Rockula! wrote:
dwtoast72 wrote:Use a MIC!! It'll help you develope your playing technique. You want that perfect sounding kick??? Then tune it up nice and fat, and kick the shit out of it until you get every kicked note to sound the same....... DON'T CHEAT YOURSELF!!!


I stated this in the other forum but I will repeat it here due to your zealotry
There are certain sounds that people who (obviously) do not play the same type of music you do, cannot achieve because the sounds are opposed to each other (tuning wise)
The low note of the bass drum is hard to achieve while simultaneously producing the clicky sound that defines the notes at high speeds
Therefore, they need to use triggers
Maybe you should do more research before you go off on something you don't fully understand

How about a smaller kick. Can't pull it off with a 24? or 22? get a 20. Triggers are an easy way out. Jason Bittner of Shadows Fall said it best......it just can't remember what exactly he said :D He has now issues pulliing his stuff off (just an example)


Jason Bittner is fucking slow.


Amen, he thinks he's kicking ass doing 180BPM, lawl...


It's not that he's slow that makes him suck.......


That's absolutely try Empyrean :). I'm sure we could make a list on negatives for Bittner.
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Post Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:44 pm

xdoseonex wrote:his point was that when you you watch the video of bret baddorf playing without triggers it doesnt sound anywher near as clean and percise as the one with triggers although hes a sick drumer and his foot technique is awesome, at those speeds, unless you have triggers, the bass drum hits kind of mush together because of the low frequency of the bass drum.

point taken...
however, you're talkin about an unmiced kick drum un youtube versus a recorded kick drum via triggers...... it sounded fine to me considering the equipment
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Post Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:28 pm

dwtoast72 wrote:
xdoseonex wrote:his point was that when you you watch the video of bret baddorf playing without triggers it doesnt sound anywher near as clean and percise as the one with triggers although hes a sick drumer and his foot technique is awesome, at those speeds, unless you have triggers, the bass drum hits kind of mush together because of the low frequency of the bass drum.

point taken...
however, you're talkin about an unmiced kick drum un youtube versus a recorded kick drum via triggers...... it sounded fine to me considering the equipment



The only reason his bass drum sounds like shit in the non-triggered video is because his drum is tuned like muffled shit, which is fine when you're triggering it, but is a bullshit argument from the trigger guys because some of us non-trigger guys know how to tune their bass drum to sound good. Their arguments about time constraints in the 10 min. setup clubs made me see the benefit though.
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Post Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:31 pm

tchfunkta wrote:
dwtoast72 wrote:
xdoseonex wrote:his point was that when you you watch the video of bret baddorf playing without triggers it doesnt sound anywher near as clean and percise as the one with triggers although hes a sick drumer and his foot technique is awesome, at those speeds, unless you have triggers, the bass drum hits kind of mush together because of the low frequency of the bass drum.

point taken...
however, you're talkin about an unmiced kick drum un youtube versus a recorded kick drum via triggers...... it sounded fine to me considering the equipment



The only reason his bass drum sounds like shit in the non-triggered video is because his drum is tuned like muffled shit, which is fine when you're triggering it, but is a bullshit argument from the trigger guys because some of us non-trigger guys know how to tune their bass drum to sound good. Their arguments about time constraints in the 10 min. setup clubs made me see the benefit though.


Leave people to their gear. Obviously you guys dont play fucking death metal so leave the shit we use ALONE.

My bass drum has a FUCKING R&B sound AND ITS WONDERFUL! Can you hear it over my cymbals and my loud ass snare when im kicking 240 BPM???? NO. Only I CAN HEAR IT. My guitarist and my screamer couldnt hear shit before i got triggers and I PLAYED LOUDDDDD.

I kick fucking hard as shit and use big ass DW beaters and it ends up just sounding like mush.