SmellsLikeIan wrote:Mike has been a dick to me and I won't kiss his ass just so I can post on his wannabee forum. Fuck UGW. There. I said it. Or typed it. Whatever. I hope my statement gets some reactions from you trolling UGW d-bags who spend more time on your E-forum bullshit than you do playing drums.
I don't expect anybody to kiss my @ss, you're certainly welcome to if you like, but it isn't required.
I can see how some people wouldn't like a forum that insists that people behave like adults and treat each other with respect. For some folks, that is simply asking too much, and if you're not comfortable in that situation there are plenty of other forums where you can be whatever you want to be, and behave however you choose.
I do want to set the record straight, however, regarding my being a profiteer. UGW has never made a dime, and never will. We don't have ads, though we should, and Drum Road Trip costs a WHOLE LOT MORE to fund than it brings in. In 2008 DRT lost roughly $6,000 and DRT 2009 was in the red a little over that, at 6800 and change. HOWEVER... IT WAS (and will continue to be) WORTH IT!
In 2008 we had Jason Bittner show us all a thing or two about playing, and a number of DML members got to have the experience of a lifetime playing ON STAGE with Greg Howe and Regi Hendrix and a band of absolute monster players... for some folks, this will be the coolest gig they have ever played! Those that didn't play the concert had the opportunity to jam with Hendrix and Howe at the practice session, and to hang out with these players is a real treat. Do you know what you can learn from hanging out with one of the best guitar players in the WORLD? A Player that has played with DENNIS CHAMBERS, DAVE WECKL and MANY OTHERS? Drummers NEED input from other musicians... why not have input from THE BEST?
In 2009 we had Rod Mogenstein, ZORO, Johnny Rabb and Rick Van Horn, and they put on killer clinics. Visitors to DRT got to hang out with these guys for nearly the whole weekend. Do you know what kind of opportunity this is for a serious drummer? Again, we had a band to jam with, and seriously... everybody had a great time! Yeah, it made no money... but that's cool!
For 2010, we have Derek Roddy and Bernard Purdie doing clinics. Yeah, we've scaled back to two clinicians because frankly, these are the big bucks guys and they don't come cheap. But in much the same way, people that visit DRT this year will have an opportunity to hang out with drumming LEGENDS.
So UGW doesn't make any money, and neither does DRT, and if it did (and I REALLY hope some day that it does) ALL the money will be used to fund a scholarship fund for college bound drummers. It may take the better part a decade to get to that point, but I absolutely hope it does get there sooner than later.
It does look like UGW has a lot of rules, I can appreciate that some people really don't like that... But I could toss every rule we have and replace it with the following:
Welcome to UGW.... Don't be an @sshole.
Really, that's the bottom line isn't it? You can feel free to dislike the forum, or you can join us, it's up to you, but please don't accuse me of being a profiteer; I would be HAPPY to open the books and show you that it simply isn't the case.
Now I'd like to comment on some of the other allegations that have been brought out:
1) "UGW is a little too chummy"... It's true... we ARE very chummy. You are welcome to come and hang out with us, get to know us and be chummy too. Nobody is gonna get chummy with you if you're a jerk.
2) "I don't like the humor there". Well SAY SOMETHING to us about it! We don't want to offend, quite the opposite.
3) "Mike has been a dick to me"... That's possible... we all can be dicks at times. Real men would talk it out and find common ground.
4) "People were not encouraged to voice their opinions"... That is really not true at all. The difference at UGW is that if you voice your opinion, you need to STATE THAT IT'S an opinion... don't try to pass it off as fact. And DO expect to be questioned about why you feel they way you do. That's how we learn, by questioning the background and factors that lead to your opinions.
5) "Mike Morgan stole members from DML". Yeah, I probably did. I stole a few from the Saluda Forum too. So what?
So you got your reaction. I will say this though, you are correct that I was involved in some of the flame wars on DML. That's absolutely true. I started UGW because I don't like being involved in flame wars, and the MODS here at DML were powerless to do anything about it. There's no Flame wars on UGW... there are MANY respectful threads where people have a WIDE difference of opinion. People that don't behave well in that situation don't get to stick around too long.
And one other thing, and I feel this is REALLY worth mentioning. I'm the admin of UGW, but there is a board of advisers that make decisions regarding forum policy. Stump is the Mod... and Stump has moderated me MANY times... he is the ABSOLUTE keeper of the peace on the site, and he does a fantastic job. He has the complete authority to keep the place running smooth, and yes, that has manifested itself in him having to suggest that I back down on occasion. I cannot think of any other forum out there where the guy that started it would allow such a policy... but the rules are for EVERYBODY, and Stump makes certain that nobody, including me]
steps out of line.
So you can say FU(K UGW... that's OK with me. If you can't see the value of a well run forum with LOADS of good players that freely share what they know with other drummers, then you don't see the value.... Fair enough... as Brother Bong once said to me... "Ya got a horse and you have a lake... the rest is up to him". UGW is a resource that is there for the taking. DML is on decline and maybe you can save it... maybe you can't. But as far as profiteers are concerned do remember this as you post here... Every word posted on DML drives the google ad words which eventually puts money in MAVERS pocket. He hasn't been here since Feb 26, and he has posted on his own forum a total of 14 times. There are still people that think Greg owns the site because he didn't even have the common decency to log in and say goodbye when he sold the place.
So there ya go... that's my reaction. Somebody is making money on a drum forum, but it sure isn't me!