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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:34 am

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Alan_ wrote:what do you mean you can't play it anymore? are you just disappointed with the sound?



yess

i liked the hi hats, until i heard other sets, and now they are horrible

i have no job, which means no money, which means no cymbals


my parents dont support anything i do, so they wouldnt give me any money for cymbals, or loan me any

You won't get any sympathy from me. That set you have, including the cymbals, is WAY better than the set I had when I started. My original hi-hats had big chunks missing from them and the flimsy 60's era knockoff stands I had were duct taped to get them to hold. It was all my parents could afford and I adapted. Appreciate what you have and later, when you can afford it yourself, upgrade your cymbals. An electronic set is not the way to go, keep the set you have.


Im afraid I have to agree with Airborne Ranger on this one.

Unless Im way missing the boat here, you are a begginer? Its not about your kit sound at this point. Its about your playing abilities and developing them. Once you have that down the kit will probably start sounding better. You cant polish a turd if if you dont even know how to polish, if you get what Im saying. Learning this instrument takes committment. Some have it and some dont. Maybe you dont....I dunno. That kit looks just fine to me. The heads looked like they are barely even used. How often do you even play them. If you cant afford better cymbals, then your not going to be able to afford an e-kit that sounds decent anyway.

Learn to tune. Adjust your kit so its comfortable to you. If you cant, then seek someone out to help you. Its not the kit man, its the player.

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I didnt see what Kris had posted before my post. Hes spot on and knows exactly what he is talking about. Good advice Kris!
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:35 am

dude you need to buy good cymbals.
Ebay around whenever you get cash, i got a new 9.5" Zil Bel and 18" Trash China all for 200 bills.
i also bought myself a Mapex Venus set like 2 years ago, which was my first kit and got it for 200 bills also.
I also bought some brand new Iron Cobras for 200 bills.
im seeing a pattern on my purchases :D
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:38 am

nightcrawler_steve wrote:
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Alan_ wrote:what do you mean you can't play it anymore? are you just disappointed with the sound?



yess

i liked the hi hats, until i heard other sets, and now they are horrible

i have no job, which means no money, which means no cymbals


my parents dont support anything i do, so they wouldnt give me any money for cymbals, or loan me any

You won't get any sympathy from me. That set you have, including the cymbals, is WAY better than the set I had when I started. My original hi-hats had big chunks missing from them and the flimsy 60's era knockoff stands I had were duct taped to get them to hold. It was all my parents could afford and I adapted. Appreciate what you have and later, when you can afford it yourself, upgrade your cymbals. An electronic set is not the way to go, keep the set you have.


Im afraid I have to agree with Airborne Ranger on this one.

Unless Im way missing the boat here, you are a begginer? Its not about your kit sound at this point. Its about your playing abilities and developing them. Once you have that down the kit will probably start sounding better. You cant polish a turd if if you dont even know how to polish, if you get what Im saying. Learning this instrument takes committment. Some have it and some dont. Maybe you dont....I dunno. That kit looks just fine to me. The heads looked like they are barely even used. How often do you even play them. If you cant afford better cymbals, then your not going to be able to afford an e-kit that sounds decent anyway.

Learn to tune. Adjust your kit so its comfortable to you. If you cant, then seek someone out to help you. Its not the kit man, its the player.


i dont hit hard at all, which is why my heads are probably new looking, ive never broken a stick or anything




and if its the player, why can i be on my friends set and play raining blood pretty much perfectly on his set, when on mine i cant keep the bass going for longer then a few seconds?
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:43 am

for me, playing an electronic set is more challenging. there's a certain amount of "give" to playing an acoustic set, plus the fact that sometimes REALLY soft ghost strokes won't come through the way I want. I love playing electronics, but seriously, BUCK UP DOOD! If you saw the first kit I learned on, you would wonder how I could have ever kept going. I had no ride, a small cymbal and some hihats made out of sheet brass, the drums didn't even have proper BEARING EDGES!!! The pedal and hihat SUUUUCKED. Learning on that piece of garbage made me appreciate my first (and only) proper kit all the more when I got it. You don't need great drums to learn on to become a great drummer. so, decide what's more important: putting in the time to develop your musicianship, or worrying about not having cool equipment.
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:45 am

kylevater wrote:
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kylevater wrote:
Alan_ wrote:what do you mean you can't play it anymore? are you just disappointed with the sound?



yess

i liked the hi hats, until i heard other sets, and now they are horrible

i have no job, which means no money, which means no cymbals


my parents dont support anything i do, so they wouldnt give me any money for cymbals, or loan me any

You won't get any sympathy from me. That set you have, including the cymbals, is WAY better than the set I had when I started. My original hi-hats had big chunks missing from them and the flimsy 60's era knockoff stands I had were duct taped to get them to hold. It was all my parents could afford and I adapted. Appreciate what you have and later, when you can afford it yourself, upgrade your cymbals. An electronic set is not the way to go, keep the set you have.


Im afraid I have to agree with Airborne Ranger on this one.

Unless Im way missing the boat here, you are a begginer? Its not about your kit sound at this point. Its about your playing abilities and developing them. Once you have that down the kit will probably start sounding better. You cant polish a turd if if you dont even know how to polish, if you get what Im saying. Learning this instrument takes committment. Some have it and some dont. Maybe you dont....I dunno. That kit looks just fine to me. The heads looked like they are barely even used. How often do you even play them. If you cant afford better cymbals, then your not going to be able to afford an e-kit that sounds decent anyway.

Learn to tune. Adjust your kit so its comfortable to you. If you cant, then seek someone out to help you. Its not the kit man, its the player.


i dont hit hard at all, which is why my heads are probably new looking, ive never broken a stick or anything




and if its the player, why can i be on my friends set and play raining blood pretty much perfectly on his set, when on mine i cant keep the bass going for longer then a few seconds?


I dont know buddy. Im skeptical. Sounds like you may need to adjust your pedal. I dont know what Raining Blood is....Im old remember ;) Is it some fast double bass blasty sort of thing? One of the coolest things I heard come out of Jason Bitners mouth at his clinic was this: "Guys you cant play Slayer if you cant play AC/DC." That to me was probably the most profound and correct statements he made at his whole clinic. Its true. Maybe your expectations are exceeding your abilities?

I dont know ya man, just tryin to help. That said, I dont have much sympathy for people who dont put in the time or expect satisfaction overnight. It takes steady committment unless your some sort of prodigy. Thats just the way it is.

I say stick with it friend. My first instructor told me once, that for every ounce of effert you put into practice now youll get 2 ounces out down the road. Man he was so right.
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:50 am

yea man put your snare/toms lower or higher or flatter. trust me.
i remember i used to blast on my set and had my snare very low and then i raised it up almost about 1 inch below my rack tom and now i can do fast fills.
or make your toms flatter, it worked for me cuz your tom angles seem too upright.
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:51 am

STEVE: raining blood is the final song on slayer's reign in blood which came out in '86. one of the all time archetypal thrash metal anthems. trust me, if I'm old enough, so are you. maybe just not as into metal. :wink:
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:54 am

im gonna go try adjusting my set
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:10 am

hey kyle, try reading the drum tuning bible, or watch some videos on tuning.

Tuning is very hard to learn and takes years to master. It takes time, but once you get that sound that you want, its a great feeling. Here are some links:

Drum Tuning Bible: http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/
Drum Tuning with Dave Weckl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH_RoUQyv5A
Snare Tuning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YXj7-wOGXw

you can search for some more videos on youtube.

Hope I help, don't give up or take the easy way out!
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:17 am

Alan_ wrote:STEVE: raining blood is the final song on slayer's reign in blood which came out in '86. one of the all time archetypal thrash metal anthems. trust me, if I'm old enough, so are you. maybe just not as into metal. :wink:


I grajeeated in 86 :oops: I should know that song! Ha ha ha! I was never into thrash, speed or death metal stuff. Well except for Wrath Child. One of my old bands use to play with them and did the same club circuit in the DC/Baltimore/Northern Virgina area. I was friends with Shannon back in the day. Man, I would just watch in complete awe as that guy would blaze on a kit. He was the shit then. Guess he still is...I ran into him when they came through town last year. Sorry....OT

And Kyle....If you ARE having trouble adjusting your kit, just ask for a little help bro. There is no shame in that.
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:18 am

Try pulling you toms of your bass drum and putting them behind your snare, so you're centered between your pedal as if you had two bass drums.
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:43 am

yeah I just went into that in another thread where someone was talking about being uncomfortable with positioning things on their 4 piece after sitting on a double kick set. It's all about having the snare directly in front of you, with the pedals on either side equidistant from the imaginary line that runs down the middle of your snare. position everything around the snare. whether you have the toms on the bass drum or directly in front of the snare matters little to the pedal positioning, but if using two racks I do like them in front of the snare as empyrean described. lets me get the ride in a little closer. I'd reduce the angles on the toms, have the snare flat, and raise the seat if it were me, but only you are gonna be able to dial in the exact locations that are comfy for you. for example, bill ray has his seat as low to the floor as possible, and he's HUGE. I get leg cramps if I sit like that. cannot do it, wouldn't recommend it, but it sure seems to work for him.
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:43 am

Manzo wrote:hey kyle, try reading the drum tuning bible, or watch some videos on tuning.

Tuning is very hard to learn and takes years to master. It takes time, but once you get that sound that you want, its a great feeling. Here are some links:

Drum Tuning Bible: http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/
Drum Tuning with Dave Weckl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH_RoUQyv5A
Snare Tuning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YXj7-wOGXw

you can search for some more videos on youtube.

Hope I help, don't give up or take the easy way out!



sorry if this sounds dumb, but is there an actual book i could buy of the drum tuning bible?

like, if i went to my bookstore, could i find it?
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:45 am

I've seen it, but not in a while. I do believe that there is still an edition in print. but with everything going online, I could be wrong. you could always print it out and throw it in a binder or a folder with brads for notebook holes.
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Post Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:49 am

not that I know of, but maybe you can do what I do, stay in a book store all day and read every drum magazine there is! Modern Drummer (I actually buy those), Drum Gods, etc.