Back Problems for Drummers? Who Has them?

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Post Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:43 am

JohnRobMHIM wrote:
~DrummaGuy~ wrote:Its mainly in posture. I've got a powerbeat throne. a simple piece of crap circle thing with padding in it. generally should be a nightmare for back. but i've never had problems sit up straight and a little forward on the seat. if you have a crap throne like mine i sometimes find that sitting close to the edge is comfortable and ergonomic


Totally true of my set up as well, I sit with my back straight (i have good posture anyway, i used to march), and closer to the edge of the seat so that none of my leg movement is impeded by the throne. If your back is giving you problems definitely try stretching before you play, I stretch for my legs and arms, but I'm sure it helps my back too. Also make sure you sit up straight, this is prolly gonna help the most.


Your most important piece of gear is your throne.

I don't believe in the back rests, as they promote slouching. Hold your own self up!
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Post Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:06 am

The best cure for back problems is having a g/f who doesnt suck at giving massages. lol...

just kidding. back problems aren't really my specialty, i've never ran into them. good posture is the most important thing for drumming, so just try to correct how straight your spine is when you sit.

I run more into the problem of pulling tendons (specifically my pinky and ring finger tendons) than i do back problems, but then again I guess we all have our flaws in our play styles :\
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Post Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:00 am

Hello all, I'm a drummer/Neuromuscular Massage Therapist. I have good posture when I drum, but have had many a morning after a 3 hour show or a tour where I could barely get movin...

The bad news is, drummers will always have pain in their backs because the pure action of drumming aggravates two main muscles that affect the lower back. When you sit on the throne and are working the pedals, the pulling up action works an deep muscle in your abdomen - the psoas muscle - it attaches to the spinal column from the front and runs down to your lower pelvis where it can pull your leg up. When you push down, you are using your hamstrings (the back of your upper leg).

By constantly working those muscles, they will react by tightening up and putting strain on the lower back. The usual symptom of this is a pain dead center of your lower back. The cure is to get a qualified licensed therapist that knows neuromuscular therapy to work the psoas muscle and your hamstrings. You will get off the table most everytime pain free.

If you can't swing the cost of NMT then I would suggest some good PSOAS and hamstring stretches.
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Post Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:08 am

I play drum for 16 years now and i,of course,i started having back problems.Mos of them come from bad posture.One thing that helped me A LOT was putting my throne a little bit up;in a position that moving my legs wouldn't interfere with my torso(i hope you're understanding,my english is not very good).And i starting making some exercises to reinforce the muscles around my spinal column,simple stuff but that had great results.Hope i made my point and i apologize for my bad english again.

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Post Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:00 am

I've never had back pain while playing but reading all of this is really making my back tight. Just kidding. All the advice I have seen has been very good. Another thought might be, get rid of the thick ass wallet. Buy a thinner one and take it out of your back pocket when you drive and play or sit for any length of time.
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Post Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:24 am

yea man, Im 16 and I have back pains all the time. I know for me its from sitting wrong on the kit and lifting my 120 pound hardware case into my car every day. Its a good idea to invest in a back rest for your throne and also to make sure your sitting up straight when you play.
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Post Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:40 am

BillRayDrums wrote:
JohnRobMHIM wrote:
~DrummaGuy~ wrote:Its mainly in posture. I've got a powerbeat throne. a simple piece of crap circle thing with padding in it. generally should be a nightmare for back. but i've never had problems sit up straight and a little forward on the seat. if you have a crap throne like mine i sometimes find that sitting close to the edge is comfortable and ergonomic


Totally true of my set up as well, I sit with my back straight (i have good posture anyway, i used to march), and closer to the edge of the seat so that none of my leg movement is impeded by the throne. If your back is giving you problems definitely try stretching before you play, I stretch for my legs and arms, but I'm sure it helps my back too. Also make sure you sit up straight, this is prolly gonna help the most.


Your most important piece of gear is your throne.

I don't believe in the back rests, as they promote slouching. Hold your own self up!


this is true. i have great posture when i play but i really need to get a decent throne.
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Post Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:39 am

pepperspray wrote:I just barely turned 30 and I'm already experiencing
some lower back pain which is worse when i sit down so
needless to say, it bugs me when i'm at the kit.

It's just a sharp pain on the right side down in my lower
back. It started at the beginning of the year but the more
i try and strengthen my core, nothing seems to cure the
pain except Advil.

Anyone experience pain like this?


i do all of the time, mainly because when i was about 5 or 6 i had an incident occur and severly injured my back by age 13 i felt like i was 80 with the back pains..working in a shippping and receiving dock for 2 years didnt help either....i have yet to find a solution to ease the pain when drumming because i also lean into my kit..its a bad habit i know and i need to stop so i dont think at this point a backrest would help me lol but dont feel its your age i mean im only 21 and whenever i move my back cracks its pretty ridiculous
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Post Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:13 am

stu wrote:I've never had back pain while playing but reading all of this is really making my back tight. Just kidding. All the advice I have seen has been very good. Another thought might be, get rid of the thick ass wallet. Buy a thinner one and take it out of your back pocket when you drive and play or sit for any length of time.


Being a working musician I can tell you that I will never have a problem with a wallet that's too fat. But that's a good point. A guy I used to work with had a problem with his back and it turned out to be his fat wallet.
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Post Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:28 pm

I've got lingering back issues.
In 2002, my L4 vertebrae/disc herniated, then fragmented. That piece of the disc then lodged right next to the big bundle of nerves that shoot out of the spinal column and into your legs. I was in the kind of pain that had me thinking about eating a gun. It was that bad.
I had surgery in August of that year. Knock on wood, I've been relatively pain-free, and able to do the things I normally do. I managed to wean myself off of the massive amounts of Vicadin and Ibuprofen I was taking for the pain, and now see a chiropractor once a week in order to keep everything in alignment.
The best thing you can do is stay in shape, eat a good diet, and keep your abdominal muscles in shape.
The other thing you can do is invest in a good throne. Roc N Soc makes very good ones with backrests, as does a little company called SoundSeat. http://www.soundseat.com/models.html
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Post Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:51 pm

Whenever a young drummer wants to know about upgrading his kit........ my first response is not about cymbals or snares or wood....... its the throne. Buy a good quality, high end throne. Good seat, comfortable padding, stability, back rest. You can make a crap kit sound good, but you cant make a bad throne do anything but hurt.

I live with constant back pain, I dont think drumming did it to me..... I have worked construction most of my adult life. Ive been hurt more than once. I still have my old Rogers drum throne from back in the day. Mostly I have it for sentimental reasons, we spent a lot of time in close contact. I occasionally use it at practice. When I hurt... its time to quit.

I use a Roc and Soc screw adjust three legger with back rest. I bought it in 98, and it has served very well over the last 9 years. It was pricey then, about 160.00, however...... I look at it as my most important piece of gear.
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Post Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:57 pm

Thanks All. Wow, I had no idea it was sort of a regular thing.

The sucky thing for me is that, It's not like I was playing football
and hurt my back....It just slowly started giving me pain until
one day, i actually fell over from the pain. Now I totally have to
stretch and do a lot of strengthening exercises.

I'm in the process of finally seeing a specialist, just to get back on the
right track, but yeah, I think exercise and good posture go a long
way.

I'm a "Lean In" kinda player too.

I don't know about getting a throne with a back but i'm definitely looking
into a good fluffy padded throne, rather than the same old hard Pearl
one i've been using for years
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Post Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:46 pm

Correct Posture; Stretch; Roc-N-Soc. Repeat until pain subsides.
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Post Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:28 pm

Correct Posture; Stretch; Roc-N-Soc. Repeat until pain subsides.


Great Advice
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Post Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:41 pm

pepperspray wrote:Thanks All. Wow, I had no idea it was sort of a regular thing.

The sucky thing for me is that, It's not like I was playing football
and hurt my back....It just slowly started giving me pain until
one day, i actually fell over from the pain. Now I totally have to
stretch and do a lot of strengthening exercises.

I'm in the process of finally seeing a specialist, just to get back on the
right track, but yeah, I think exercise and good posture go a long
way.

I'm a "Lean In" kinda player too.

I don't know about getting a throne with a back but i'm definitely looking
into a good fluffy padded throne, rather than the same old hard Pearl
one i've been using for years


Err...Don't want to burst yer bubble but having a throne that is too cushy will also endanger you. A big thick piece of foam does not lend itself to proper support. Gravity is not a kind force to anything. :)

Support is good mmmKay?