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Postby m » Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:23 am

OK, I've been pondering this for a while, and this morning while reading the latest issue of MD I notice that Josh Freese has given it some thought too.

Much attention has been focused on extreme speed-drumming lately.
But playing accurately at slow tempos can be extremely difficult and takes a lot of skill.

Why isn't there a "World's Slowest Drummer Competition?"

probably because it wouldn't sell as many pedals or drumometers?

all right, so that's mostly tongue-in-check there- so I'll put it this way:

do you think it takes as much skill and refined sense of timing to play very slowly as it does to play fast?
Granted, it's not as strenuous, but leaving a lot of space playing at very slow tempos can be quite the challenge
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Postby screamkevin » Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:47 am

One of the toughest things to do is what I pride myself on: groove. Speed is over-rated to me. You can't use it all the time, so don't focus on it.

Anyone who can and chooses to play double kick at 250bpm, I have a challenge for you. Sit down at your kit with a metronome. Set it at about 80-90bpm. Play 8ths on the hats, play the kick at 1&3, and the snare at 2&4. Make a groove out of it. And once you've found that groove, make it as nasty as you can. Play that groove for 30 minutes straight, without stopping.

Oh, I forgot...the hard part:

NO FILLS AT ALL. Not a tom roll, not an accent, not a crash, NOTHING.

If you can do that, you've got drumming 90% licked.

Chops are awesome to watch, but groove drummers get all the studio work. Remember that.
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Postby m » Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:54 am

many say groove lives in the spaces~
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Postby drummer912 » Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:39 am

screamkevin wrote:One of the toughest things to do is what I pride myself on: groove. Speed is over-rated to me. You can't use it all the time, so don't focus on it.

Anyone who can and chooses to play double kick at 250bpm, I have a challenge for you. Sit down at your kit with a metronome. Set it at about 80-90bpm. Play 8ths on the hats, play the kick at 1&3, and the snare at 2&4. Make a groove out of it. And once you've found that groove, make it as nasty as you can. Play that groove for 30 minutes straight, without stopping.

Oh, I forgot...the hard part:

NO FILLS AT ALL. Not a tom roll, not an accent, not a crash, NOTHING.

If you can do that, you've got drumming 90% licked.

Chops are awesome to watch, but groove drummers get all the studio work. Remember that.


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Postby m » Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:43 am

just for the record, I don't at all mean to denigrate 'extreme' speed-drumming.
I'm just interested in hearing your input on the OTHER 'extreme,' which you don't hear folks talk about much.

thanks for the feedback so far
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Postby drummer912 » Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:47 am

me neither, speed-drummers rock.
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Postby skitch » Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:50 am

It is groove over speed for me as well! It pays my bills!
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Postby Empyrean Drums » Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:54 am

Groove is over-rated. It's now a bloated, meaningless term that jazz flunkies use to boost their self importance while diminishing the talents of other drummer they deem "non" groove. And yes, folks talk about it all the time. You can't even mention trying to play faster without some flunky chiming in about "groove"

A real challenge is not had by simply playing a beat for 30 minutes at any constant tempo (fast or slow), but rather playing accurately through a variety of tempo and rhythm changes.

If you think 90% of drumming is playing some slow 4/4 beat for 30 minutes, you're missing about 99% of drumming. Contrary to popular belief, there are many styles of music, and not being able to play something does not make you a better drummer. Being a diverse, well rounded drummer will get you more studio work then if you are speed or "groove" obsessed
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Postby seandude » Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:08 am

who wants to be the slowist?
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Postby dave lynch » Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:39 am

You can still think speed in a slow beat, just don't play it all inbetween..haha...All tempos break down mathmaticly..But no doubt playing slow broke down tempos is very challenging....Have you noticed that so many solos and marching beats are at a tempo that is most easy to play ? Listen to the radio and keep time with a stick using 4/4 time...slow or fast you'll see that the real tempo is very close from song to song...Why ? Cuz it's easy for the listener and players..it's natural...Yeah at any tempo the pocket and groove is most important...Sorry to bore ya All..LOL
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Postby BillRayDrums » Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:15 pm

I'm so slow I had my secretary type this up.

One thing I hear from alot of people when I'm playing is "You look so relaxed, as if you are not even paying attention to the music you are playing". EXACTLY. Lately my gig schedule takes me into lots of casinos, which is essentially a "wallpaper" gig (as in you are competing with the wallpaper for attention, LOL). One of my favorite mental games is to play drums with my left hand and play a game of solitaire on my iPod with my right hand. Splitting my mind in two so as to exercice a more "mindless" approach.

Gotta go- my girl Saturday charges by the word and it's naptime (**yawn**)

Have fun being all fast and stuff. I like being slow.
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Postby TheYardstick » Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:18 pm

screamkevin wrote:One of the toughest things to do is what I pride myself on: groove. Speed is over-rated to me. You can't use it all the time, so don't focus on it.

Anyone who can and chooses to play double kick at 250bpm, I have a challenge for you. Sit down at your kit with a metronome. Set it at about 80-90bpm. Play 8ths on the hats, play the kick at 1&3, and the snare at 2&4. Make a groove out of it. And once you've found that groove, make it as nasty as you can. Play that groove for 30 minutes straight, without stopping.

Oh, I forgot...the hard part:

NO FILLS AT ALL. Not a tom roll, not an accent, not a crash, NOTHING.

If you can do that, you've got drumming 90% licked.

Chops are awesome to watch, but groove drummers get all the studio work. Remember that.


Yes put proper use of accenting can make a good groove spectacular, and adding in little fills that keep the groove are icing on the cake.
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Postby dave lynch » Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:28 pm

TheYardstick wrote:
screamkevin wrote:One of the toughest things to do is what I pride myself on: groove. Speed is over-rated to me. You can't use it all the time, so don't focus on it.

Anyone who can and chooses to play double kick at 250bpm, I have a challenge for you. Sit down at your kit with a metronome. Set it at about 80-90bpm. Play 8ths on the hats, play the kick at 1&3, and the snare at 2&4. Make a groove out of it. And once you've found that groove, make it as nasty as you can. Play that groove for 30 minutes straight, without stopping.

Oh, I forgot...the hard part:

NO FILLS AT ALL. Not a tom roll, not an accent, not a crash, NOTHING.

If you can do that, you've got drumming 90% licked.

Chops are awesome to watch, but groove drummers get all the studio work. Remember that.


Agreed..!!

Yes put proper use of accenting can make a good groove spectacular, and adding in little fills that keep the groove are icing on the cake.
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Postby BillRayDrums » Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:46 pm

Fills are your place to interject "yourself" into the music. I agree though, if you can sit down and play a groove for more than 5 minutes without playing one fill, you've got a great thing going.
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Postby BillRayDrums » Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:47 pm

seandude wrote:who wants to be the slowist?


I want to be slowest.

That way I could be a "Slowist".
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