Double bass groove...is this possible? *Single or double*

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Post Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:20 pm

Haha funny caption...naw im just saying and i want to stir up some fun, people say you cannot groove with double bass, double bass is stupid, Screw double bass, double bass is not needed. How i see it and im just writing this out of pure bordom and just wanting to rant so no one lash at me but it just kinda of irritates me that some people can be so close minded as drummers such as Blistering fast 16th note double bass threw the whole song and then people resfusing to learn double bass, Certainly you can groove with it and if you know what your doing its alot more exciting then single but the big question is what do you all prefer? single, double, depends?
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Post Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:43 pm

im personally a single pedal player. but thats because 1- the music i play 98% of the time doesnt call for any double. and 2 - i feel 100% confident that i can sit behind a kit with a single pedal and play with a band and although i might not be playing a cover tune note for note which uses double bass, i can play and maintain the time and keep a good feel. I've played double pedal for years and pears and still have to use it every now and then for session work but im a single pedal player myself.

that being said, there are many many ways to really groove with a double pedal. i feel that playing single or double is a choice but to be a well rounded drummer you should be able to play double pedal incase you're ever called to do a job where it is needed. on the other hand, i dont think you should rely on a double pedal to do things which are easily dont on a single. i cant tell you how many drummers i see use the double pedal to do doubles on the kick. some shows might backline and you have to use everything of theirs. it really sucks but every now and then you'll run into a show like this. if theres a single pedal and you have to use it, you should be fluent enough to adapt your drumming to play at 100% with the single pedal.
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Post Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:30 pm

All i have to say is Opeth.
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Post Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:43 pm

What surprises a lot of people is that Louie Bellson was one of the first Double Bass Players and pioneered the art. And he was a jazzer at that.

Double-Bass could be used anywhere, I suppose. It all depends on what is needed and isn't. I am a single pedal player, simply because I haven't found a use in my playing for double-bass. It is, to me, not necessary. Now, for the speed-metal bands and hardcore grinding stuff, yeah, it has plenty of uses. So, yeah, there are plenty of grooves for double-bass. The tricky part is making sure that they fit the underlying groove.

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Post Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:51 am

I'm a double-bass player all the way, but some good points have been raised. Don't use them to cheat your playing, if you can do something on one foot, than I think you should. I find throwing in some two-footed spice into a cover that didn't originally have it is kinda cool.
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Post Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:25 am

i think it is very possible to carry a groove with double bass. just listen to primus.
that being said, rock and metal drummers aren't the only guys that use double. steve gadd, dave weckl, billy cobham, lenny white, and many other jazz and fusion greats have used double bass, but they used it sensibly and in ways that fit the music.
i taught myself with single and became proficient with that before i learned double. i like to stick to a single kick most of the time, but i use double in a few of my band's songs. when i do i use it tastefully and never do blasting, continuous notes. i use it behind grooves for accents and whatnot.
the jazz combo that i'm in does a lot of fusion/funk improv, so i like to use double bass to get a certain effect out of the groove.
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Post Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:09 am

I'm serious guys...listen to Opeth's album Deliverance. Its the perfect mix between heavy fast 16ths and heavy deep felt out groove.
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Post Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:40 am

Steve Gadd rarely uses a double bass. Doesn't need to. Listen to any song he's done, especially on The Hustle. Yes, the drummer for the original The Hustle is Steve Gadd.

I've seen Billy Cobham use three bass drums. He's crazy. Also a Rudimentalist.

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Post Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:41 am

Of course you can groove with double kick! Why limit yourself to straight 16's or trips like most metal drummers? Be creative and think of different stuff, I guarantee you can groove with a double kick!
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Post Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:35 am

ppl that say double bass is stupid are prolly ppl that cant play double bass so they put it down
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Post Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:04 am

Howepirate wrote:All i have to say is Opeth.


that pretty much sums it all up. good call
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Post Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:40 am

i would also have to add the faceless into that category. all of the drummers that drummed on that album are amazing.
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Post Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:45 pm

I am a single pedal player because I am too much of a weenie to learn double.
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Post Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:28 pm

I'm a single pedal player. I haven't even begun to consider a double pedal or adding another bass with another single pedal into my set-up. Mainly because the music I'm playing does not call for 16th note grooves or blasts. I mostly do doubles on my single pedal for fills and accents and such. Who needs a double pedal for that? I'm like drummert2k in that I'm confident enough in my playing that I could pull off a cover of a song that calls for double kick with a single, and still make it sound pretty damn near close to the original.

Another reason I use single is because I'm working on my left foot technique/independence on the hi-hat first, before I even attempt to learn anything on double. Sure you can groove on double. In fact, I can sit down and use a double for 16th or 8th note grooves, and I can also play duple meter in my hands and triple meter in my feet. I just love the way bass triplets sound under a two feel groove in your hands. So the verdict? Double bass groove, hell yea. Awesome to listen to. But I'm holding off on furthering my technique on double for now.
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Post Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:40 pm

I have a double and a single, and 90% of the time the single is the one I am bringing with me.

Honestly though, I back all double bass players 100%. Sure, its not neccesary, but neither are chinas, splashes, you could even get a way with out toms. If I wanted to, I could sit up on stage with just a snare I do a pretty good show, but I dont.

Its the same story with bass, I play a 5 string, and all I ever here is "why do you need the low B?". When people are criticizing, its usually because they can't handle that addition. I have respect for people who play single bass, double bass, 4 piece kits, 15 piece kits etc. etc. It's all a preference thing, everyone just needs to accept we all aren't going to play the same, and roll with it.