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Post Tue Sep 19, 2006 6:37 pm

My pet hate when it comes to gigs is when soundguys want you to alter your setup in order for them to fit a mic or mic stand on a drum or cymbal. Its ridiculous. They are being paid to accomodate the musicians, yet the us musicians usually have to save their asses.

Also, I HATE when playing large bills in which there is about 6 or 7 bands playing and your band gets stuck playing after a band everyone knows blows ass. Cause you know the crowd will be nonexistent for your set. BS!!!

That's my two cents right there.
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Post Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:06 pm

There's not much to hate about gigs in general, remember, you're getting to play.

However, there is one thing that I dislike. That is when people who come to the gig fail to give you space to prepare (read: warm up).

I did a gig a while back here in Cali. Began warming up, and a kid came over who was also a drummer. You know the type, super enthusiastic, borderline fanatic. He said he played for a local college unit that had a good line. I hadn't heard about these guys, but later found they have an excellent line.

I knew the guy was a good player, as he asked for a pair of sticks and then began showing his chops. I won't lie, dude had chops from HELL. He went through a series of corps style warm ups. This kid could easily have been a DCI stand out.

The problem was, he wanted to sit there and play mind games. You know -- "Let me show you that my chops are better than yours" kind of stuff. Of course he tried to keep being nice, but the asshole side was showing.

Like when we did some fast flam drags, he was all "play harder, and open them up." and he was right too! I won't lie.

But he was forgetting that he was at a show. not performing. And he forgot that I had to warm up to my own program, not his.

Guys and gals -here's a tip: When going to clubs/shows, give people room to do their thing. Don't try to show that you are a better drummer, it's not about being the best. Just be cool!

The guy was becoming obnoxious. He was like "come on, let's do some (insert snare-rudiment here). I needed to get back to preparing for what I WAS GOING TO DO.

I told him "later on that, I have a show to prepare for."

While loading gear to the stage area, there he was, making his presence known. If I hadn't known better, I 'd say he was trying to psyche me out.

Funny thing is, I live in LA. Great drummers are everywhere. There are even more drummers here with pro-chops.

(In LA, great chops are more common than great drummers)

So I thought to myself to give this guy a lesson he hadn't had yet. I've had my share of chop-challengers (anyone who's ever marched in a line has). What I have learned is that chops don't mean you can rock. In fact, I place much more emphasis on musicality and showmanship (in a rock arena). I knew what to do...

I knew this guy had probably never been anywhere. So I gave him a taste of what I had learned about music while touring the world, mainly how to show that you are the best at what you do - your own style. I also showed him how to have a personality that translated to communication with the audience. We had this small club jumpin'. I saw on his face that he knew he was barking up the wrong tree.

At the end of the night, his tune had changed. He was less obnoxious, and the love for playing music began to rise to his surface. I was happy that he started getting it.

Remember, just be cool, there's always someone better than you, but only you are the master of your own personal style.

And remember that we drummers are a brotherhood. Help those who need help, to learn what they must. God knows I've been given the same lesson, over and over.


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Post Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:00 pm

My Biggest Pet Peeve....

When you let someone play your drums at a gig and they reconfigure everything about your setup... and then it looks like shit...... and takes a while to put back like you had it. I even once had a guy that removed my slave double bass pedal because he didnt know how to use it... Damn man .. just dont touch it if you cant use it.... I also got a splash cymbal smashed in three places that night.. since then I dont anyone play my set unless I know something about them.
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Post Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:59 pm

i will tell you a story about one of my gig experiences lol.....

my band, dreamcatcher was offered to open for a small time signed band ive forgotten their name at a very popular and reasonably famous stage in england (dragonforce have played their aswell as other soon to be big acts.... aparently ironmaiden did in their younger days too...)
anyways i get there n usually with these types of gigs the headliners supply the drum kit n everyone plays on that (apart from things like snare drums,cymbals, stands and pedals ect you know what i mean). my brother who tends to do our sound checking for us coz he knows what levels we like really said and i quote "watch just coz this small time shit band has played a few gigs around a few cities theyre gonna have corn cobs up their asses thinking theyre something theyre not". i head for the kit to set up when the drummer says
"what are you doing your not playing on my kit". i reply
"but your the headliners i was told your supplying the kit". anyway he wouldnt let me borrow his kit so i thought fair enough i will rush home n get my kit no big deal i prefer mine its better anyway....
so i said...
"ok i will go get my kit do you mind moving your kit back a little bit so i can fit mine on stage?"
"no im not moving my kit for you".
anyway cut a long story a little bit shorter the guy was an asshole the rest of the band just went around slagging off our gear n teasing us n basically made it almost impossible for us to play that night (we nearly couldnt but my brother saved our asses by bringing more of our gear last second).
we played with my drum kit nearly falling off the front of the stage..... my double bass mapex!!!
i wasnt happy by this point so during the set i did a reasonably long drum solo for the drummer up his own ass. my brother recorded it, the drummer came running out from where he was sat with his mouth wide open staring at me (he even zoomed in too it was priceless!!) it made me feel a bit better about the whole event i must say. :wink:
to list other expriences.....
guitarists using my kit having the cheek to step,climb or jump on my kit.....
people retuning my drums to their prefered settings
those people then not actually even tuning the kit right just detroying my tone all together
sound checks telling me whats wrong with my kit n what needs tuning (i always tune at home right before i pack up n set off to the gig)
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Post Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:44 am

ross666dreamcatcher wrote:sound checks telling me whats wrong with my kit n what needs tuning (i always tune at home right before i pack up n set off to the gig)

yesterday my band played in a small club and the sound guys spent about 25 minuts just to get my kick drum to sound, after many minutes of arguing with them that the problem is NOT the way I tune and muffle my kit they've repositioned the mic and instantly the sound was great. still, they didn't admin that it was their not my fault and argued about it after the gig :roll:
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Post Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:36 pm

Guitarist and/or bassist who can't stop playing, for 2 FU#$in seconds while I'm setting up! Then when i'm finally done and getting cases and bags off the stage, they are bangin' my set!

Hate that shite!
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Post Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:43 pm

Hey...any time any one of you feels that gigs are too much of a hassle..I'll be happy to take your place....

Band-less in NJ...
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Post Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:53 pm

here's one I hadn't thought about before, but became very apparent to me yesterday when I attended a festival and saw a bunch of bands play- new pet peeve:

DRUMMERS who use any downtime between songs to practice their WFD double-bass ruffs, or the newest fill they've been working on. Ouch.
This is not good for the flow of a set-
save it for the rehearsal room, eh?

I'll be extra careful next show I play to be SURE I don't make any extraneous noise between songs. I'm pretty sure I don't do that, but from the look of things yesterday, I'm not even sure some drummers are aware they're doing it. I think it's just a habit or mannerism.
Not a good one though.
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Post Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:50 pm

Sound men,ANYONE touching my set,people that think they can act like an ass (if) they get on stage,"big bands" that don't care about openers.

I have a few,stern,rules:soundmen-I don't move my set-up for you(if you don't know how to mike-up ANY kit then,you need a different career.
I DO NOT tollorate ANYONE messing with my stuff(no you can NOT use my drums,hardware,cymbals,ect...).
People-Enjoy the show,don't ruin it for others...and DO NOT ruin it for the band....if it wasn't for the bands you'd be listening to the jukebox!

"Big bands"-you were once opening up for bands so,show some respect!

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Post Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:44 pm

I generally just don't like people playing on my kit. However, other musicians that think that their band is all that matters sucks too.
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Post Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:57 am

Obnoxious drunks.

Unprofessional musicians, soundmen and tech's.

Poorly made backing tapes that aren't even in time, and then I'm expected to "fix it" through my playing.

Personality problems and issues that other musicians and crew bring to the gig.

Band leaders who do not know how to treat those working for them. For example, I had a gig where in the third set the drum solo's length was determined by how long it took the leader to chew out the singers and dancers off stage. I had to keep watching stage left so as to know when his raving temper had run its course. It was a terrible, horrible gig. And wasn't worth the money.

Unprofessional road managers.

Managers who rip musicians off.

Fighting in the crowd.

People who throw things onto the stage.

Tiny stages not fit to house a band.

Badly made stages. For example, some wood layed over milk crates.

There are many others.
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Post Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:50 pm

this is pretty much the greatest topic ever.

1) A few weeks ago we played a show with three other bands. The first two bands were amazing, the crowd was really loving it. When it came time for the third band to set up, it took them 45 minutes! After about 30 minutes the crowd started to get annoyed and people were leaving. Once they started playing things got even worse. They were horrible, and that's being nice. They actually had to stop and re-start a song half way through because the drummer missed a cue. This went on for a good 35 minutes. Then after their horrible set, instead of pulling their gear offstage they went around the club handing out cookies that one of their girlfriends baked for the occasion. WHAT IS THIS, HIGHSCHOOL!? Gah! Even after all the cookies were dispensed the drummer was nowhere to be found. And they never said "hey stick around there's still one more band" so people started to leave thinking that-because all their gear was still up on stage-they were the last band. Finally the sound guy came up to me and said "you wanna help me throw his drums off the stage?" And throwing is exactly what we did. Then after the whole show the drummer had the nerve to complain about the money situation. You're a local band that had to drive a mile to play, the majority, if not all, the money should go to the touring bands that have to drive 200 miles tomorrow. We gladly gave every last penny of our share to the touring bands.

2) A few years back we were playing a house show when all of a sudden during our first song some asshole runs downstairs and cuts the power on us. He started yelling that there was a guy upstairs trying to play covers on his accoustic guitar and noone could hear him. Needless to say as soon as he was out of sight we cranked it again and informed our fans not to let him near the power. It was a fun night.

3) Local bands complaining about their slot on a bill because "i told all my friends we were going to play 1st, they aren't going to want to sit through some bands they don't know just to see us." Awesome.

4) Being booked at a club that has a decible limit that is so low that it's practically impossible to hit my snare drum without the owner running over with his decible meter and threatening to call the cops.

5) Dragging your gear up to someone's attic to play a house party and then being told that you only have time to play one song because the girlfiend of the guy who set up the show wants to have enough time to play her crappy "this songs about grandmas wearing whale sweaters" accoustic music.

I've played hundreds of shows, so this list could go on and on. But to be honest the amazingly awesome experiences far outweigh the bad. And hey, we're getting paid to do something we love so when you compare that to working in an office and dealing with bosses all day, these little annoyances don't seem so bad.
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Post Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:04 pm

pphunk wrote:this is pretty much the greatest topic ever.

wow- you've got some rough ones there!

We've had the power shut off on us at a venue- that's no fun.
Happened twice on different occasions months apart, but at the same venue. We don't go back there anymore. They need to padlock the meter box I guess.

maybe we should start a "things you love about gigs" thread just for equality's sake?
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Post Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:20 am

m wrote:maybe we should start a "things you love about gigs" thread just for equality's sake?

I like that idea. I like discussing good things more :)
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Post Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:13 am

maybe we should start a "things you love about gigs" thread just for equality's sake?

One of the greatest feelings at a gig is when you see people shaking with anticipation for a certain fill or riff. Or when you finally hit that part and you see them just explode with excitement.

Another thing i love about gigs is sitting around before the show and talking shop with all the other drummers.