tchfunkta wrote: SGarrett wrote: tchfunkta wrote: SGarrett wrote:
my comments on time signature seem to not be understood. i'm not DE-emphasizing feel by saying that one should know the actual time signature. marco makes those weird times feel good, and probably doesn't count to 17 really fast in his head when he's playing, but he KNOWS it's 17 and not just four with funny accents.
No, people are understanding you but you don't seem to be understanding them. Many of the top teachers in the world explain things as combinations in 4/4, because it makes things easier to grasp. Everything else is phrasing. Period. You don't need to know what time signature you're in if you know how to phrase. It's also often said that the best drummers can make any time signature feel like 4/4. There is no one correct way to approach this topic.
I understand them perfectly, thank you. I'm well aware of the need to make time signatures sound fluid and that some may resemble or add up 4/4, but all of the top teachers you mention, if asked, could play in 7/8, or 13/8, etc., without hesitation, and can count them. These combinations in 4/4 only work in SOME cases, like the Lateralus example. The main groove he plays on the toms afterwards is in 5/8 and it's just that, not some twisted 4 with odd accents. while pros can make these things sound as if they were just in 4, they have the experience counting out signatures and reading music and busting ass, so lets stop pretending like, as break the prism said, "Time signature doesn't really matter. It's pretty much just a written reference for musicians if they end up having to read the notation." Yeah, you can just listen and play along and fake it, but whatever happened to education about music and your instrument?
You completely missed my point. Great job.
You need to calm down, right now. Once you do that you'll understand that you're talking about a theory. Like all theories, it's the practical application that differentiates practitioners.
By the way, don't talk to me or any other member of this site like that again.
don't talk down to me if you want me calm. and we're not 4 year olds who can't handle a swear word, so please don't touch my entries. lots of metal drummers here, i think they've heard the word fuck before. are you going to PM like you've done to other members if i continue to disagree with you?
i am passionate about learning music and learning theory rather than dealing with a lot of lack of education out there where people don't know how to read music or play time signatures without having to hear it and just kinda copy what they're hearing. i wish this forum addressed more musical issues like this. people are more worried about gear than learning how to play music, and drummers need extreme competency in the playing of time signatures. all of the great drummers DO know what time signature they're in even if they're making it feel like an extended or contracted 4, for example. i'm sick of people just wanting to "feel" it not knowing what the hell they're doing. of course it's all about feel, but you have to know what you're feeling. danny carey KNOWS his time signatures. period.
Stop acting like a child and I'll stop treating you like one. It's that simple. If you keep acting like a child and step far enough over the line, yes I will send you a PM. I'll also edit your offending post to make you look even worse than you make yourself look. It has nothing to do with whether or not you agree with me or any other moderator and everything to do with you listening to t he authority of the site. As for your language, I shouldn't have to explain what a disrespectful tone is. Flame war style posting is not permitted here and that's not my rule. Deal with it.
Are you so arrogant that you think you're the only person here who's passionate about playing and improving? Seriously, you need to take a giant step back, man. Show me where one person has said that great drummers don't know what time signature they're in, since you insist on arguing against that point. Odd time signatures evolved around musical phrasing, which is felt. That's what the greats do, they play the phrase not the page. For instance, take a series of trading fours in 4/4, which gives you 32 8th notes or 64 16th notes. The possibilities for phrasing in odd time signatures is astounding, but at the end of it all you're coming back in on 4/4. That's why the greats explain it that way, because that's the practical application of the theory. Think about this, are you concerned with the patterns of your speech or do you know them well enough to just feel them?
And when it gets right down to it, why do you care that
much how other people play? You need to worry more about yourself and less about other people or you're going to end becoming very bitter. Maybe you're being replaced by less technically skilled players who have better feel and are already bitter? It would explain the attitude.
tchfunkta wrote:don't talk down to me if you want me calm. and we're not 4 year olds who can't handle a swear word, so please don't touch my entries. lots of metal drummers here, i think they've heard the word fuck before. are you going to PM like you've done to other members if i continue to disagree with you?
HAHA!!! i'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. gd man, get a sense of humor.
i'd also like to add that if garret did edit your post it was quite hysterical cause i laughed, alot actually. i really thought you
were being funny.
Nope, that was me.
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